Will electric Big Rigs ever become a thing?

Kiwi303

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Most of the cost of aircraft engines, turboprop, turbine, or piston, is simply certification cost and FAA traceability of parts.

You can literally if the paperwork has been filled out correctly at all stages, trace every individual bolt or washer back through purchase number, stock number, supplier number, production number, raw materials number, furnace melt number, raw ore delivery number... with QA at each step...

A jet ski motor replacement for a jetski with a Rotax engine is four figures... that SAME engine for use in microlight and ultralight aircraft is 5 figures.

A kit plane where you buy the quick build option and go spend 2 weeks pottering around pulling rivets while the factory hands line up and hold the pieces for you so you can claim it is home-built under the FAA's 51% rule then everything else is done by the factory can be $80,000 for a new plane. A similar Certificated aircraft entirely done by the factory is closer to 120,000... yet is identical.

That's certification cost of the plane, even the quick build E-AB kit needs certificated parts, simple materials and labour cost without certification, that plane would cost around $40,000.



$30,000 mass production gas turbine? Hell yeah, do 10,000 a year and tell the FAA to go pound sand, quite affordable.
Any truck with a dead turbine is just going to roll to a stop on the side of the road and call a tow, it's not going to be 30,000 feet up and finding itself unable to stay there...
 

ironpony

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Most of the cost of aircraft engines, turboprop, turbine, or piston, is simply certification cost and FAA traceability of parts.

You can literally if the paperwork has been filled out correctly at all stages, trace every individual bolt or washer back through purchase number, stock number, supplier number, production number, raw materials number, furnace melt number, raw ore delivery number... with QA at each step...

A jet ski motor replacement for a jetski with a Rotax engine is four figures... that SAME engine for use in microlight and ultralight aircraft is 5 figures.

A kit plane where you buy the quick build option and go spend 2 weeks pottering around pulling rivets while the factory hands line up and hold the pieces for you so you can claim it is home-built under the FAA's 51% rule then everything else is done by the factory can be $80,000 for a new plane. A similar Certificated aircraft entirely done by the factory is closer to 120,000... yet is identical.

That's certification cost of the plane, even the quick build E-AB kit needs certificated parts, simple materials and labour cost without certification, that plane would cost around $40,000.



$30,000 mass production gas turbine? Hell yeah, do 10,000 a year and tell the FAA to go pound sand, quite affordable.
Any truck with a dead turbine is just going to roll to a stop on the side of the road and call a tow, it's not going to be 30,000 feet up and finding itself unable to stay there...
Right. The morons they hire for truck mechanic these days can barely deal with the latest crop of diesels...
 

Kiwi303

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Right. The morons they hire for truck mechanic these days can barely deal with the latest crop of diesels...
Buy Russian turbines then, Designed rugged to be maintained and repaired by Moron Draftees with 6 months training and 18 months deployment time on a 2 year conscript service.

If a Russian peasant can fix them with 6 months training including boot camp, a 'Merkin tech with a 2 year apprenticeship or community college mechanical engineering degree ought to not screw up too badly.
 

ironpony

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Buy Russian turbines then, Designed rugged to be maintained and repaired by Moron Draftees with 6 months training and 18 months deployment time on a 2 year conscript service.

If a Russian peasant can fix them with 6 months training including boot camp, a 'Merkin tech with a 2 year apprenticeship or community college mechanical engineering degree ought to not screw up too badly.
Your welcome to buy commie crap, and further the Putin Kleptocracy. Funny how your superior Russian crap has a habit of flaming out.
 
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Kiwi303

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You're the one complaining about modern american mechanics, I'm just pointing out there is stuff out there designed to be worked on by morons.
 

ironpony

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You're the one complaining about modern american mechanics, I'm just pointing out there is stuff out there designed to be worked on by morons.
I really doubt your Russian peasants can keep this stuff running reliably either.
 

krelithous

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300-400k per truck:stare1:.. are these people crazy that's damm near the price of a fully loaded lamborghini gallardo :D:rolleyes:
 

Duck

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From the article:

The company claims it’s received 7,000 reservations for its Nikola One turbine hybrid Class-8 truck, which, if each resulted in a final sale, would total more than $2.3 billion in sales.

However, when you break down the math a little more, it’s not quite as impressive. On the company’s own website, the Nikola One is offered for a $1,500 reservation. Multiplying that by 7,000 comes to $10.5 million, not $2.3 billion.


Huh? :confused-96:

Did the author forget that in the paragraph immediately preceding his math wizardry, he said "if each resulted in a final sale, would total more than $2.3 billion..."?
 

krelithous

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From the article:

The company claims it’s received 7,000 reservations for its Nikola One turbine hybrid Class-8 truck, which, if each resulted in a final sale, would total more than $2.3 billion in sales.

However, when you break down the math a little more, it’s not quite as impressive. On the company’s own website, the Nikola One is offered for a $1,500 reservation. Multiplying that by 7,000 comes to $10.5 million, not $2.3 billion.


Huh? :confused-96:

Did the author forget that in the paragraph immediately preceding his math wizardry, he said "if each resulted in a final sale, would total more than $2.3 billion..."?
did you ask the author :confused-96:
 

Kiwi303

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Coming back to the Title.


Electric trucks ARE a Thing...

The question should be "Will Electric trucks ever be a Successful Thing?"



Maybe when Thorium Pebble Bed reactors are a successful Thing... At which point I'll be waiting in a bunker for the Posleen to arrive.
 

krelithous

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Coming back to the Title.


Electric trucks ARE a Thing...

The question should be "Will Electric trucks ever be a Successful Thing?"



Maybe when Thorium Pebble Bed reactors are a successful Thing... At which point I'll be waiting in a bunker for the Posleen to arrive.
where's the infrastructure to support these glorified priuses:confused-96:. we don't even have full support over here for CNG yet. and how many business are willing to spend the cash to have a system installed:confused-96:. and what will maint be like. and how well will these things preform in adverse weater conditions as we know that hot and hold and a bunch of other things affect the batteries:confused-96:. i could go on:D. it's nothing more than a toy for someone with more money than brains:rolleyes:. look at the tesla that thing is a POS once you run out of juice your screwed now look at the mclaren p1 you can drive that thing all day long on eletric but once the batteries are drained the engine kicks in and keeps the car going and charge the batteries at the same time and once the batteries are charged the engine kicks off. to bad the eletric range on it sucks because that car is bonkers and it will make you go mental:D:stare1:. 0 to 63 in under 3 seconds that car will make you crap your pants:D:eek:
 
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