Let's talk about hourly wages.

Hillbilly Canuck

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Looking back to when I began truckin' in the 1960s, I never realized how much I now like the idea of the National Master Freight Contract with its various supplements, e.g. the Tanker Supplement. Were such a contract or guide to exist now, I think it would benefit company drivers and O/Os. And no longer would we hear about a driver shortage which, IMHO, is a pay shortage.
That's a deep deep rabbit hole. You know and I know how many people will adamantly tell you the industry was ruined clear back at deregulation. It's ironic they call it "deregulation" because once the beneficial regulations went away the bullshit ones really took off.
 

Rasar

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it doesn't matter what's being hauled why it's being hauled or how the employees are represented. Trucking is Trucking. And you're simply wrong. There are salary variances. I'm not represented by a union nor are we hauling our own stuff. I and my fellow drivers earn what we earn by working for it. If you're lazy, You're simply not going to make money here. But if you can hustle, you can make great money. Personally, I think that's the best way to go about it.

I used to work for an hourly wage. I hated it. I would hustle and make the same exact money as my fellow employees who were standing around doing nothing.
Is the lazy one who wants to be two days with his family after five days of work? Salary for miles causes drivers to violate the speed limit, move in ice and snow, and be constantly in a state of stress. Salary for miles does not guarantee salary for all work done, and this is very beneficial for companies. It was always profitable to have slaves !!! And stop talking about the benefits when truckers are not get 30% of what they should earn !! Over the past 20 years, salaries have not changed much, salaries for miles are not tied to the price and inflation index !!! Truckers are impoverished, but work more. Therefore, not a single normal, sensible, sensible young man goes into this ****ty business. And with the introduction of the electronic logbook, many companies went bankrupt because they are used to stealing and do not know how to work according to the law! And when the salary for miles is banned as discriminatory, as was done in Australia, thousands more companies will go bankrupt, and only real businesses that can work without slave power will remain. There will be more competition for drivers, and there will be an increase in salaries. Then the problem of a shortage of drivers will be solved. And today there is a shortage of slaves!
 

nan

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Is the lazy one who wants to be two days with his family after five days of work? Salary for miles causes drivers to violate the speed limit, move in ice and snow, and be constantly in a state of stress. Salary for miles does not guarantee salary for all work done, and this is very beneficial for companies. It was always profitable to have slaves !!! And stop talking about the benefits when truckers are not get 30% of what they should earn !! Over the past 20 years, salaries have not changed much, salaries for miles are not tied to the price and inflation index !!! Truckers are impoverished, but work more. Therefore, not a single normal, sensible, sensible young man goes into this ****ty business. And with the introduction of the electronic logbook, many companies went bankrupt because they are used to stealing and do not know how to work according to the law! And when the salary for miles is banned as discriminatory, as was done in Australia, thousands more companies will go bankrupt, and only real businesses that can work without slave power will remain. There will be more competition for drivers, and there will be an increase in salaries. Then the problem of a shortage of drivers will be solved. And today there is a shortage of slaves!
Okay fine here's $15/hr.

Happy now?

Is there a general pay shortage? Duh. Of course. But hourly wages isn't the answer. Because they're only gonna pay the hourly equivalent. They're gonna go okay we pay 33 cents a mile, average 48mph for our fleet so 48 x .33 = $15.84. So here you go here's your $15.84/hr.

You can make that in a warehouse. So how does that help? If they pay sh*t they're gonna keep paying sh*t.
 
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Fageol

Old acid hauler but not too caustic
That's a deep deep rabbit hole. You know and I know how many people will adamantly tell you the industry was ruined clear back at deregulation. It's ironic they call it "deregulation" because once the beneficial regulations went away the bullshit ones really took off.
Government appears to be the only reliable growth business. The ICC went away but not the "need" to regulate. So the feds just picked the low-hanging fruit, drivers and then they reached higher in the tree to companies. The regulators are busy protecting people from themselves and them (the regulators). Companies have way more pull because they unite to get the most of the best for the least.
 

Rasar

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Okay fine here's $15/hr.

Happy now?

Is there a general pay shortage? Duh. Of course. But hourly wages isn't the answer. Because they're only gonna pay the hourly equivalent. They're gonna go okay we pay 33 cents a mile, average 48mph for our fleet so 48 x .33 = $15.84. So here you go here's your $15.84/hr.

You can make that in a warehouse. So how does that help? If they pay sh*t they're gonna keep paying sh*t.
While a city driver earns $ 20 an hour, I cannot agree, and no one agrees.
And today, the company only pays miles, and the driver is forced to take extra work to earn money normally. This is very beneficial for companies. And making a driver a beggar is very simple: pay him only miles without risking anything!
The risk when the driver works for free, or when the company is looking for a profitable cargo, makes you sit for free in the workplace!
And the salary for hours requires paying overtime, is tied to inflation and a price index, it requires paying for holidays ...
Even if I start earning $ 15 per hour, then 12 hours a day and 70 hours a week is $ 1260 for one trip, or about five days approximately. That is, about $ 5000 per month is guaranteed, regardless of repairs and weather! But, in five years time, $ 15 will turn into $ 20 per hour due to inflation, and they will pay for a mile as they paid ... And historical experience shows this fact!
 

Rasar

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The economy is based on the trucking business. And this business has become half criminal because it has become easy to open a company, it is easy to obtain a license for a truck and it is easy to find a cheap driver who agrees to break the laws and work for a "bowl of rice." People who have nothing to do with it came to the business, either to receive immigration documents, or to work for a while. They do not care about the future.
But, thank God, the governor began to take action. An electronic logbook will throw out part of the crime from the business, and a ban on salaries for miles (and it will be so), will throw out the remnants of the extra criminal companies from the business. There will remain large companies that can dictate terms to shipers and brokers, not being afraid of competition from small companies that are ready to take any goods at any prices, depending on the number of illegal immigrants working for them or just crime.
 

nan

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While a city driver earns $ 20 an hour, I cannot agree, and no one agrees.
And today, the company only pays miles, and the driver is forced to take extra work to earn money normally. This is very beneficial for companies. And making a driver a beggar is very simple: pay him only miles without risking anything!
The risk when the driver works for free, or when the company is looking for a profitable cargo, makes you sit for free in the workplace!
And the salary for hours requires paying overtime, is tied to inflation and a price index, it requires paying for holidays ...
Even if I start earning $ 15 per hour, then 12 hours a day and 70 hours a week is $ 1260 for one trip, or about five days approximately. That is, about $ 5000 per month is guaranteed, regardless of repairs and weather! But, in five years time, $ 15 will turn into $ 20 per hour due to inflation, and they will pay for a mile as they paid ... And historical experience shows this fact!
Your total compensation is what matters. If you don't like it move on.
 

Fageol

Old acid hauler but not too caustic
The economy is based on the trucking business. And this business has become half criminal because it has become easy to open a company, it is easy to obtain a license for a truck and it is easy to find a cheap driver who agrees to break the laws and work for a "bowl of rice." People who have nothing to do with it came to the business, either to receive immigration documents, or to work for a while. They do not care about the future.
But, thank God, the governor began to take action. An electronic logbook will throw out part of the crime from the business, and a ban on salaries for miles (and it will be so), will throw out the remnants of the extra criminal companies from the business. There will remain large companies that can dictate terms to shipers and brokers, not being afraid of competition from small companies that are ready to take any goods at any prices, depending on the number of illegal immigrants working for them or just crime.
With 70% of the work force of the country in the service sector (per Wikipedia) and with other forms of transport available, I doubt that the economy is based on trucking. That doesn't mean that trucking is unimportant. Trucking is part of the service sector or part of the tertiary economy.

Isn't easily opening a company what America is all about? When a market becomes regulated, that's when opening a competing company becomes difficult.

What governor took action?

I doubt that any device made by man, such as an electronic log book, is foolproof. With all the security that casinos have, a bunch of folks from St. Petersburg Russia scammed a bunch of money from slot machines in the US, Romania, Macao, and Peru (check: CASINO SECURITY – Thieves pick on slots to rob casinos | | CasinoCompendium). We learn to scam things, systems, etc. and when a correction is made, eventually the correction is scammed. We act in our interest with various notions of ethics. Thus I'd be careful about thanking God for anything that the government does.

My old professor, Sheldon Wolin, wrote, "Democracy Incorporated" that showed that regulatory bodies become captured by those enterprises that are supposed to be regulated. All this is to say that I have little faith in the government to effect effective change. Over time, economics and social sanctions will do a better job of clearing a market than regulators.
 

Rasar

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Your total compensation is what matters. If you don't like it move on.
Yes, compensation should be for any work, not just miles. Companies are very profitable when they do not have loading, do not pay for the driver. And the driver, then, has to work harder to guarantee normal earnings. That is, if in the "X" days the driver did not earn "Y" money, then instead of being with his family, he must make miles, and the company earns. That is, all risks are only on the driver !!!
 

Rasar

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The government must regulate everything related to education, medicine and safety.
When the goverment controlled transportation in the eighties, hired truckers earned about $ 100,000 relative to the price index and inflation. Today, half as much. And who is normal will work as a trucker for such a salary? Only those who have been in the system for many years and losers who have no choice!
There are no trade unions, no laws guaranteeing drivers' income, as is the case in any other field. A seller at Tim Hortons does not earn for the number of buns sold, so why should a trucker work for miles ?!
Statistics for the last year of the introduction of the electronic logbook show an increase of 8% in accidents with trucks, and an increase of 3% in trucker deaths! But everyone works "according to the law" ... And this is only the beginning !!! In Australia, after the ban on salaries for miles, the number of accidents with trucks sharply decreased, and salaries for the first year increased by 20%.
 

Rasar

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«Lamb wrote in a recent article entitled “It’s the end of the ELD Era as we know it and I feel fine…” that “FMCSA will now have to reconcile whether the 2018 fatality rates that will come out in December 2019 will actually show those 26 lives saved per year as FMCSA has speculated, or many, many more lives lost due to increased speeding by drivers trying to beat the clock because they are paid by the mile...»
 

Ontario Outlaw

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«Lamb wrote in a recent article entitled “It’s the end of the ELD Era as we know it and I feel fine…” that “FMCSA will now have to reconcile whether the 2018 fatality rates that will come out in December 2019 will actually show those 26 lives saved per year as FMCSA has speculated, or many, many more lives lost due to increased speeding by drivers trying to beat the clock because they are paid by the mile...»
Dam skippy. I do 85 mph a lot more than I did on paper

Dam the Man :mad:
 

Rasar

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The cops haven’t caught you yet ... And you can’t always keep that speed. It will snow and you can make 1000 miles in a week ... companies pay for miles because it is so profitable to pay ...
 

nan

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The cops haven’t caught you yet ... And you can’t always keep that speed. It will snow and you can make 1000 miles in a week ... companies pay for miles because it is so profitable to pay ...
Is your annual pay satisfactory?

Yes? Stay with it.

No? Move on.

The company doesn't make any more money than you do when the load isn't moving. If you don't deliver the load, they don't make any money to pay you. The more loads you can do, the more money they can make to pay you. Like it or not, that's how it works. Trucking is a service. If you don't provide it you're not going to get paid for it.

Weather is just a ****ty side effect of our job that we learn to hate yet accept. As long as the times you can move offset the times you can't, you're fine.

If you don't like it, go buy a truck and pay yourself hourly no matter what happens.
 
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Rasar

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Is your annual pay satisfactory?

Yes? Stay with it.

No? Move on.

The company doesn't make any more money than you do when the load isn't moving. If you don't deliver the load, they don't make any money to pay you. The more loads you can do, the more money they can make to pay you. Like it or not, that's how it works. Trucking is a service. If you don't provide it you're not going to get paid for it.

Weather is just a ****ty side effect of our job that we learn to hate yet accept. As long as the times you can move offset the times you can't, you're fine.

If you don't like it, go buy a truck and pay yourself hourly no matter what happens.
Tim Hortons doesn't make money when he doesn't sell buns and coffee. But the seller makes money for the time that is in the workplace.
Any employee receives for the time spent, even if there was no work ... The dispatcher of a truck company does not earn depending on the number of miles. He earns in time, not the number of tracks that he sent.
The driver is an employee, and should not have risks, as if it were his business. He has no profit from this business. If companies are not able to pay for time, they should go bankrupt and close, just as other businesses do. Only large companies that can pay drivers for every hour spent outside the family should remain. When I am in the truck, I am responsible for the truck, trailer and cargo. Even when I sleep, then I am responsible. I cannot drink beer or go wherever I want while I am at work. Therefore, I have to get paid for all the time that I am responsible for the truck and trailer.
 

Rasar

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I don’t understand why companies are used to not giving truckers salaries for work ?! Who else is ready to work but not earn while in the workplace ?! Why does the security guard in the store earn for every hour of his work, and not just when he catches a thief ?! If I am in the truck, then I also protect the truck and cargo in the trailer,
moreover, for free !!!
This is real slavery!
 
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