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Actual miles versus what the broker quoted.

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Uncle Birchy

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Just curious how far off the mileages are nowadays.
I find trucking companies to be off anywheres from 3 to upwards of 10 percent off on paid miles as opposed to what was actually driven...

Sometimes if ya complain enough make em think you'll quit they'll try to do better..

Most Carriers will say "Practical" miles ..

At my Age all I care about is not being run into the ground anymore..

If I only wanna go 4/5 hundred miles then hang it up for the day I'm okay..

Another thing is understanding I'm sort of an half assd insomniac I get up about 1 or 2 in the morning get rolling about 3..

By about Mid-Day I need a Nap then a meal..

That's why Long Haul works better for me than Local or Regional...make the same even more doing it half assed but I am well "rested" and not screaming or swearing at the dispathers
 

ironpony

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I find trucking companies to be off anywheres from 3 to upwards of 10 percent off on paid miles as opposed to what was actually driven...

Sometimes if ya complain enough make em think you'll quit they'll try to do better..

Most Carriers will say "Practical" miles ..

At my Age all I care about is not being run into the ground anymore..

If I only wanna go 4/5 hundred miles then hang it up for the day I'm okay..

Another thing is understanding I'm sort of an half assd insomniac I get up about 1 or 2 in the morning get rolling about 3..

By about Mid-Day I need a Nap then a meal..

That's why Long Haul works better for me than Local or Regional...make the same even more doing it half assed but I am well "rested" and not screaming or swearing at the dispathers
You're talking about company loads... 10% is about right for that, using Household Movers Guide mileage tables.

But that's not the game brokers play. I had TLQ quote me a load last month from Milwaukee to Springfield MO. What they really meant was Green Bay to some little burg 50 miles north of Joplin. The less scrupulous brokers will do this frequently, putting major metro areas on load board postings. In this case I didn't see the deltas until I had the ratecon in hand. The quoted miles as far as the rate were right, but I had an extra 120 miles of deadhead. The transit times I quoted were way off because of the increased deadhead, plus another 100 miles of loaded travel time.
 

mndriver

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You're talking about company loads... 10% is about right for that, using Household Movers Guide mileage tables.

But that's not the game brokers play. I had TLQ quote me a load last month from Milwaukee to Springfield MO. What they really meant was Green Bay to some little burg 50 miles north of Joplin. The less scrupulous brokers will do this frequently, putting major metro areas on load board postings. In this case I didn't see the deltas until I had the ratecon in hand. The quoted miles as far as the rate were right, but I had an extra 120 miles of deadhead. The transit times I quoted were way off because of the increased deadhead, plus another 100 miles of loaded travel time.
TQL, Coyote and CH Robinson are notorious for this.

I refuse to quote or discuss rates with them on anything unless I get actual address from them. They refuse or it's different from the rate con when it comes, I back out of the load.

Apparently I have done this enough with them now that they give me accurate information now the first time, every time.


TQL and Coyote are the worst for it.
 

ironpony

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TQL, Coyote and CH Robinson are notorious for this.

I refuse to quote or discuss rates with them on anything unless I get actual address from them. They refuse or it's different from the rate con when it comes, I back out of the load.

Apparently I have done this enough with them now that they give me accurate information now the first time, every time.


TQL and Coyote are the worst for it.
I've never had a problem with Coyote. We have a dedicated rep, and he always gives us good information.

TQL... iffy. Sometimes no problems, others you get this.
 

Hammer166

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TQL, Coyote and CH Robinson are notorious for this.

I refuse to quote or discuss rates with them on anything unless I get actual address from them. They refuse or it's different from the rate con when it comes, I back out of the load.

Apparently I have done this enough with them now that they give me accurate information now the first time, every time.


TQL and Coyote are the worst for it.
I quit using CHR over this. I had a multi drop produce load for St.Louis on, and one of the stops rejected the load before I ever got there.( typical produce game, I'm sure the price dropped behind me after I loaded.) They wanted to divert that stop to somewhere halfway to freaking West Plains oh, for the same freaking money. That wasn't going to work when my reload was in the Quad Cities.. you'da the thought I'd have asked them to starve their children! I told them to whine at their scummy customer thought these kind of games were okay.
 

ironpony

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Always ask if they pay
Practical/Air/Short miles
This is spot market freight. "Practical/Air/Short miles" only exist in the fairy tale world of company driver jobs to keep the pennies stacked up without anyone getting jealous of their neighbor's pile.
 
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Duck

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This is spot market freight. "Practical/Air/Short miles" only exist in the fairy tale world of company driver jobs to keep the pennies stacked up without anyone getting jealous of their neighbor's pile.
Fairy tale world?

Company drivers operate in the same world you do.

Short miles vs practical is a valid concern for drivers who are paid by the mile. Some owner operators are paid by the mile too.

It's just not a concern for fleets and O/Os dealing with brokers.
 

ironpony

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Read the last sentence of the post you quoted, you dingleberry sniffer. :taunt:
Company drivers don't deal with brokers, the sales department does. Everyone involved would start laughing their asses off if you asked about what "kind" of miles they were.

What kind? Statute. 5280' to the mile.
 
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Duck

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Company drivers don't deal with brokers, the sales department does. Everyone involved would start laughing their asses off if you asked about what "kind" of miles they were.

What kind? Statute. 5280' to the mile.
Company drivers deal with brokers all the time. Just for dispatch though. Directions, pickup numbers, and the obligatory 17,000 phone calls they make when it's a "hot load" and you're only 15 hours ahead of schedule and they're scared... 🙄

But no I've never argued over mileage with them.....yet. 😎
 

ironpony

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Company drivers deal with brokers all the time. Just for dispatch though. Directions, pickup numbers, and the obligatory 17,000 phone calls they make when it's a "hot load" and you're only 15 hours ahead of schedule and they're scared... 🙄

But no I've never argued over mileage with them.....yet. 😎
You deal with shippers.
 

Duck

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You deal with shippers.
I've never dealt with a shipper on the phone. Brokers a million times though.

I refuse to give my number to CH Robinson though, after the aforementioned hot load, but sometimes company dispatch gives it to them. Pisses me off.
 

ironpony

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I've never dealt with a shipper on the phone. Brokers a million times though.

I refuse to give my number to CH Robinson though, after the aforementioned hot load, but sometimes company dispatch gives it to them. Pisses me off.
You might deal with their operations department, but you don't deal with the brokers. Do you negotiate for the price of a load? No.

So stop pretending that you're something you're not.
 

Duck

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You might deal with their operations department, but you don't deal with the brokers. Do you negotiate for the price of a load? No.

So stop pretending that you're something you're not.
Instructions from dispatch say "call the broker" so I call the number.

No I don't discuss rates.

And how about YOU stop being an argumentative pain in the ass for once in your life?
 

ironpony

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I do that much as "Employee" and keep a NOTE-SHEET with a 5 percent "Forgiveness"..

I also study Continental "Drift" in my Spare Time
The point is @Uncle Birchy that drivers who deal with freight brokers aren't company drivers. We also generally don't get paid by the mile.

The entire deal with "Practical/Air/Short miles" is just a way of convincing company drivers that one carriers version of the same thing is better than another carriers.

Dealing with a freight broker means I'm negotiating for the entire price of a load, including how accessorial payments are handled. Yes, rate per mile is a consideration, but so is revenue per day and that's actually more important to me. I pay my bills in dollars, not pennies per mile. I know exactly the level of revenue per week I need to net... rate per mile is interesting, and it's more an indication of how I'm doing than anything else.
 

Uncle Birchy

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The point is @Uncle Birchy that drivers who deal with freight brokers aren't company drivers. We also generally don't get paid by the mile.

The entire deal with "Practical/Air/Short miles" is just a way of convincing company drivers that one carriers version of the same thing is better than another carriers.

Dealing with a freight broker means I'm negotiating for the entire price of a load, including how accessorial payments are handled. Yes, rate per mile is a consideration, but so is revenue per day and that's actually more important to me. I pay my bills in dollars, not pennies per mile. I know exactly the level of revenue per week I need to net... rate per mile is interesting, and it's more an indication of how I'm doing than anything else.
I've found with afew "Carriers" I can "Press" the Issue "enough" get them to PAY UP ....then I "QUIT"
 

ironpony

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I've found with afew "Carriers" I can "Press" the Issue "enough" get them to PAY UP ....then I "QUIT"
We don't work for carriers.
 
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