The repeal of Obamacare: How Trump should approach it

Discussion in 'Politics' started by DrDaliah, Nov 10, 2016.

  1. Injun

    Injun Rabid Squaw Staff Member Supporter

    You mean just like Democrats and Liberals reversed their position on immigration?

    And recheck your facts. HillaryCare (remember that?) was the basis for ObamaCare. The goal was universal (read: government controlled) health care. Since she couldn't push it through as FLOTUS, it went on the back burner until Democrats had a lock on DC. Then, they shoved it through over the vehement objections from nearly everybody... except uneducated people who bought the lie.
     
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  2. Duck

    Duck Quack Supporter

    Revisionist history.
    INTERSTATE commerce clause.
    Under obamacarare, people pay what some communists figured they should pay based on their income level.

    People who have less money can get it cheaper, or even free. Paid for by the people who are paying the ridiculously high premiums.

    That's called welfare. Or socialism.

    And I don't give a flying **** what the welfare moochers have to say about it, or whether they lose their health insurance as a result of this BULLSHIT law's repeal.
     
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  3. ironpony

    ironpony Well-Known Member Supporter

    Under Libertarian ideology, if you don't pay your share for whatever service we're discussing, you have no right to expect the government to provide you that service. That's their deal. It has nothing to do with the professionalism of the firdt responders.

    The idea is if you get everyone out of ERs for routine healthcare, overall costs will go down - which will be reflected in costs, insurance rates, etc. That conclusion is based on statistics that show ER medicine is the most costly way there is to provide medicine to anyone. Getting people into doctors offices is more cost efficient, and if doctors and hospitals aren't taking it in the financial shorts for unpaid medical bills - that will depress medical costs as well.

    For that to happen, everyone has to be insured to reduce the risk on insurance companies, and - that insurance has to be affordable to the working poor - which means rates must be subsidised.

    I never made any representations about the quality of their care. It reminded me of military medicine - I bailed on them quick!

    That's your opinion... I picked Kaiser at random. All the polls show the same thing. Support has decayed lately because the Republicans and the trump administration are doing their level best to undermine government support for the ACA. That shows up in recent rate increases and insurance company withdrawals from weak markets.

    The facts are as they are. Butler's work for the Heritage Foundation had all the major components of Obamacare, and was floated in 1989. That's 3 full years before Bill Clinton became the President.

    Yer doing ditch weed sprayed with Roundup again, ain't ya?
     
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  4. ironpony

    ironpony Well-Known Member Supporter

    Evidently I'm having the desired effect today...

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  5. Duck

    Duck Quack Supporter

    Yep. :thumbsup:

    Still gonna put the :poo2: rating on your post though. :D

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  6. Injun

    Injun Rabid Squaw Staff Member Supporter

    Interesting how the Preamble (why they made the rules they did) has been stretched to cover so much that the actual rules have become cliche.

    Rates increased immediately upon implementation of the law and insurance companies started bailing two years into it, while Obama was still vetoing anything that addressed his debacle.
     
  7. ironpony

    ironpony Well-Known Member Supporter

    Well yeah. The insurance companies whined, and Congress allowed them to take another hefty slice.

    :rolleyes:
     
  8. Tazz

    Tazz Infidel Supporter

    I have no obligation to make healthcare affordable for anyone but myself. I choose to take care of my family.

    Barring obligations for military service the government should get completely out of the health care business.

    You have no right to anything you do not pay for. In that you are correct. Which is why we have road taxes, property taxes, and sales taxes. Those are and should only be used for those services a person could not provide for themselves. Not out of ability, but logic. We do not need 300 million individual roads, schools(although after about the 5th grade the government should bale out), police departments (though each individual has a responsibility for their own safety), fire engines, Rifle Company.......

    What should never be considered a right is healthcare, daycare, housing, cell phones, food, education......

    Those are the individuals responsibility.

    I have no idea if that makes one a libertarian, liberal, or conservative. I can only tell you that is the only moral system I know of.
     
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  9. Injun

    Injun Rabid Squaw Staff Member Supporter

    Yep. The Democratic Congress that passed it without reading it.
     
  10. ironpony

    ironpony Well-Known Member Supporter

    Initially it was part of getting the insurance companies on board... they came back for more, and Congress agreed.

    IIRC, some of that happened in the enabling legislation, after ACA was passed.
     
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