ATS New mileage pay, effective 9/1/09

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  1. Sinister

    Sinister Smartass Emeritus Supporter

    I made it home both weekends I wanted to. I actually wanted to run over Labor Day, but they didn't have anything that would keep me close enough to get back for the following weekend (airport day, long story) which was really the more important day.

    SOOOoooo...after 4.5 weeks on the road, and OD loads every weekend (which meant Sunday no travel curfews and staring at truck stops) I delivered in Valapraiso, IN (with my 2nd Class 2 load, thank you...) and then ran THREE Chicago Heights to Manitowoc with those BRAND NEW counter weights.

    Wednesday, they were all hauled in, and I started getting offers for the weekend. Which meant to be out- and most likely sit - for the holiday.

    Then I pulled the biggest boneheaded move I've made yet, and have yet to forgive myself for it.

    They offered me a load out of Alpena, MI to Greenville, SC. Class 2 (12 9 wide) with 500 tarp pay and 2000 (@65%, bout 1450 to me) in detention to sit over the holiday.

    The detention comment was waaaay down at the bottom of the offer screen WHERE THEY NEVER WRITE my exhaustion...and stupidity...I passed on the load.

    It would have paid me almost 4000 to run over Labor Day weekend. But, after 4.5 weeks, I couldn't stand the thought of sitting on another load, in another truck stop, or usually I get a room...but being 152 miles from the house, and planning to run over labor day, I bounced home, and ended up sittin gat home FIVE days.

    I held the last short run I did, so I didn't go behind either week, but my checks the last two weeks have been ugly.

    I ran a granite load to NYC last week, and I should be good, and am on a small OD load to Baltimore (GOD I hate these) this week, with my truck bills paid when I deliver, so next week should be good also.

    It's sad when running NYC general freight pays better than a class 2 load to Baltimore...but's overheight and that's what they want to get to class 1, so I'll do it.

    But yeah, I'm still floating. I'm not doing GREAT by any means, but I'm not as bad as it could be.

    I even got my truck washed this week!
  2. Keendriver

    Keendriver Hates all of you Supporter

    Look on the bright side,you are moving up the board.
    Is high pole the last step to getting class 1?

    I loaded with one of your compadres in Decatur Thurs afternoon.He got Cat parts(natch) going to Houston.
    He tells me I'm going home first then delv Monday.Oh,"where's home?" Atlanta.
    Wow! I asked him if he was leasing that truck and he said no,it was a co truck,but the "computer(?)" was broke so Andy wouldn't know.:headscratch2:
  3. Keendriver

    Keendriver Hates all of you Supporter

    Oh yeah.....nice job turning down 1450 to sit!!:spend:
  4. Sinister

    Sinister Smartass Emeritus Supporter

    My GPS broke for three weeks, then mysteriously came back to life again. maybe his was broken also. I have yet to meet a normal company driver for this place. Seems like all the 4 axle guys are toothless hillbillies, and the 3 axle guys are just plain weird. I met one who was totally okay to work with, but then when we were standing around yakkng, he starts telling stories about how he was a former CIA assassin. You can read all about that here.

    How you tell ATS trucks apart is as follows. A Lease trucks number will start with an 8. A company truck will start with a 1, an owner operator will most likely be a 7. There's threes and fives too, though I'm not sure why.

    Yes, I am moving up the ladder. I actually have a feeling that ATS is pushing for me to move up. My FM seems to go out of his way to find class 2 loads that fill the requirements. Escort loads, etc. This overhieght thing is something they take quite seriously, and I've had 2 overheight loads so far, this one being my second. I think I probably have to be behind a high pole once or twice before they will actually even let me test for class 1, so it'll be a while yet.

    Meantime, it's getting harder and harder for me to stay on the road as long as this program requires. I'm going to look into some local and regional stuff and make a decision as to what to do at the end of this lease, stay or go. Continuing to stay in specialized hauling is really eating up a lot of home time, and I'm sure if I stay here long enough to be pulling schnabels, my son won't even know who I am!

  5. backontheroad

    backontheroad Member

    I just left ATS 10 days ago. I also just found out that 17 company drivers turned their trucks last week. I was a lease operator. First month was ok. After that it went down hill. There is always a screwup some where along the line. My last week take home, 0.00.
  6. Sinister

    Sinister Smartass Emeritus Supporter

    That can happen very easily, and that's what I don't like about the lease program. Also, you the system is designed to keep you in the truck as much as possible, and going home usually screws up two weeks on either side of the day or two off.

    That sucks, but when you consider that you get into this deal for no credit check and nothing down, and figure that if you were to do that through a regular dealer, your expenses wouldn't be far off what ATS charges. However, the rates elsewhere might be a good bit higher. I have a friend who is still at my last company, and now that I'm no longer employed there he talks very freely about money, and I will say that ATS is paying us just enough to get by, and that's all. Period.

    You select your own loads, so you have to be very careful in what you do, and plan out every move, and it's quite stressful.

    Many weekends I've spent sitting staring at motel rooms or truck stops because this company likes to dispatch OD loads on weekends for some reason. You get to reset your log, and usually cover your truck bills by Monday, but sitting that much gets to me. This weekend, I took a regular flat load to Cali on Wednesday night just to avoid it.

    I have been home about 36 hours since that one day I took the weekend after Labor Day.

    I have about 800 left to pay on my securement package, and actually just asked them to bump it to .06cpm. That knocks almost 7000 miles off the bill, and hopefully will make Christmas a bit nicer.

    Yes, I actually increased a deduction.

    They promised us 800 - 1200 take home a week, and too much of the time we miss that mark. My lowest check so far has been 143.00, and 190.00. My highest has been close to 2000.00.

    I don't blame you for leaving. I've met pecentage guys who haven't gotten a check in months, and I have no idea how or why they continue to stay here. I simply could not afford to were that to happen to me.

    Hopefully, I can survive this lease for one year, and something else comes along.

    One of the things I thought about comng here was that living close to so much freight, I could get home more, and not being able to do that is a serious disappointment and proves to me that ATS in many ways really isn't any different than any other big company, and has reminded me of why I spent 12 years avoiding them.

    There are many positive aspects of my being here , however (lest I be accused of whining). Coming here has enabled me to keep my house, feed my family, and pay the bills at home...mostly.

    Taxes at years end? No idea what the hell I'm going to do about that.
  7. Sinister

    Sinister Smartass Emeritus Supporter

    If Bullwinkle and friends will allow me this little transgression, I'd alos just like to add that(DO NOT LINK TO THAT OTHER FORUM) is in fact a real person. Far too much of what he says is straight propoganda out of St. Cloud.

    Then again, I could be wrong, as I am getting very conspiracy minded lately.
  8. terrylamar

    terrylamar Well-Known Member

    I may be a character, but I am real and what I post is the truth.
  9. Sinister

    Sinister Smartass Emeritus Supporter

    Heh. Since I made that post, I hve become convinced that you are in fact, a real person.

    Oh, and welcome to the forum.
  10. Laneytruck

    Laneytruck New Member

    Been with this company leasing for over 6 yrs. They're great when they had the contracts. Just remember 67% of 91% of leased percentage haulin gets rough when all the good stuff goes to co. drivers. It's an unsaid breach of contract due to paying the brass xtra, etc. Just do the math on a Cash On Delivery once. The only way to make the good $$$ is to own your own truck asap and keep the $$ in your own pocket.....
  11. Sinister

    Sinister Smartass Emeritus Supporter

    I'm on mileage. This month alone (December) I will have had THREE 0.00 paychecks.

    On the mileage contract.

    For me things were better when I could get three to four loads per week. Mid-summer that dropped to two loads per week. This morning, on the load I am on, I didn't even get an offer. My FM just put me on a load that goes 1100 miles for after the New Year.

    As usual, when I got to the shipper, there were a pile of ATS trucks a mile high.

    You haul what they want you to haul, period. They will steer you toward what they want you to haul, they will dispatch you enough to cover the truck, then try to dispatch you for the following week. I've seen these things too many times since May to be convinced otherwise.

    In this lease program, you're an "owner operator" like a janitor who decides what room to clean first. Other than that, you're playing thier game.

    I've even argued with them about this and been told it's all in my head, and that there is no advantage to them holding frieght from me. On the surface, this is a great argument which trumps mine. However, ATS makes it's money no matter what.

    I would NEVER do this year after year like some folks. Even before the pay cut. They just control too much.
  12. rebel

    rebel Well known, by a few Supporter

    That sucks more than words (decent ones) can describe.
    Hope you can bail on them soon.
  13. Sinister

    Sinister Smartass Emeritus Supporter

    I just ran the numbers and put them in a spreadsheet on a weekly and monthly basis, and figured my weekly and monthly take home. Both week to week, and month to month, and an average of both. (I had to rifle through a lot of dusty Microsoft excel files in my brain from college to do this, and it ain't the prettiest spreadsheet, but it works...)

    On the surface, it doesn't look too bad, and I'm sure that's the argument they'd use. But, when you figure road expenses (which I've cut dramatically out of necessity), and money my wife needs to operate week to week, the house just isnt making enough.

    So the truck is paying for...the truck. They (other drivers) tell me it didn't used to be this way.
  14. terrylamar

    terrylamar Well-Known Member

    Times are tough right now. I hear stories from some of the older drivers, that they used to work for eight or nine months, then write out a check for the lease payment and take a few months off. I'm hoping those days come back soon.
  15. Sinister

    Sinister Smartass Emeritus Supporter

  16. boone315

    boone315 SPACE TRUCKING

    Are alot of the old TRISM drivers still there or have they all left?
  17. Sinister

    Sinister Smartass Emeritus Supporter

    No idea. I've met a lot of guys who wear shirts that say things like Prime Inc. I really can't understand why anyone would do this lease thing more than once...or MAYBE twice to bank some extra money - much less do it for two different companies.

    There's a lot of guys who've come over from Melton in the last year or so.

    I met a guy once who had war stories about: ATS as a company driver, Trinity, TMC, Werner, Passmore, Swift, USExpress...and seemed to know CL Werner personally, and knew every detail about every intention of every large company there was. The longer you let him talk, the stupider his stories got. Did you know that once, CL Werner made all his drivers on the lot circle their bobtail trucks around the Werner building in Omaha so his son couldn't escape while CL set fire to his car for misbehaving?

    While I'm on the subject of weirdos, I've still yet to meet a normal company driver. My favorite thus far has been the guy who used to be a CIA assassin, except he wasn't CIA, because that's too public. He was in a ultra black ops outfit that answered only to Hillary Clinton.

    ...and they wonder why I close my curtains and remain anti-social.
  18. boone315

    boone315 SPACE TRUCKING

    Heck, all you have to do is listen to the radio for 5 minutes and you can hear everything from how to cure cancer to the best way to grow a tomato, When I hauled for ATS was when Harold was still alive, it was a very good company then, I used to stay away from the drivers lounge in the Gary yard, 10 minutes in there and you would feel like jumping off the roof
  19. terrylamar

    terrylamar Well-Known Member

    No, I fell like pushing some of the drivers off the roof.
  20. Sinister

    Sinister Smartass Emeritus Supporter

    Well, I did pretty good in January starting right after the new year holiday, where I sat forever.

    I hauled 12 loads all month, averaging 3 a week, and actually made money.

    Some of the loads totally sucked, but they seemed to have served the purpose.
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