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Bandit...

I take no offense to your excellent way of debating. You may have an "in your face" type of approach...but that is the trucker's way.

I will respond with pointing out from your own statement...nothing has been accomplished in the past 45 years with the methods of attempting to get something done. Contrary to your statement of me not paying attention to history - you are incorrect. My attention is very much focused on determining a path to success from the very history of what's been attempted. Of all the actions attempted by many individuals, and groups, throughout the past 45 years...the attempt at a communication campaign has never been pursued. We have acted out as a child would when he's not happy with a situation - and our government has responded accordingly.

Now, those of us - as you put it - sitting on our asses sending letters are attempting to get all American citizens, both truckers and citizens, to communicate with their representatives. To voice their concerns and needs - not one time, but repeatedly, over and over and over. With this action will come the unity which will be necessary to act out against our government's inaction towards the will of the American People. America didn't get into this position overnight, nor in just a few months. It's been many years of Americans not taking the responsibility of being involved with our country's Constitutional processes, and it will take time to turn around this precarious position America is in. This is reality...not my opinion. Short of a violent revolution - the path to success is what it is. A continued positive pursuit of reaching to attain our goal must be maintain...even through the frustration of feeling as if nothing is getting done.

Since we started this communication campaign - there are now more representatives attempting to do something than there was before...speaking out very passionately. And only through All American citizens uniting and doing the same, will the majority of representatives finally become the force we need in the Senate and House, to get the changes America needs.

With all due respect...you may not believe this to be an effective action, but the actions taken over the past 45 years has not worked. The actions over the past 45 years has not gained the support of representatives, such as this action has. And if you would take notice...this is the same action many other organizations are taking (ei: American Solutions.) Also I will point out one of the major advantages we have on our side...this is a major election year.

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I would also like to point out that the Suadi's met today, even though in May they said they would not meet again until Sept. but they have agreed to pump more oil. Now if fuel dosent' come down this should really show the government that the problem is the speculator.

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1,112,328 people who have signed the petition. ..
This is the ..Drill now..petition .so yes I do believe these letters doing something..people starting to voice their opinion..!!

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1,112,328 people who have signed the petition. ..
This is the ..Drill now..petition .so yes I do believe these letters doing smething..people starting to voice their opinion..!!
Hey lady, nice to see you here, where's IIroman today?
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Heya there..sent him to work.. somebody gotto do something..
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Another isssue is can we believe what they are telling us when they are asking for our vote, it's not like they are known for the honesty.Also Bandit, I do agree with you whole heartedly about making some noise. I just need to figure how to get people to participate.
Right now I don't think we can belive any of them.
It's all about the vote, and and the sad thing is they talk in circles. All the Gov. letter writing in the country really is'nt going to matter much right now, Oh, they will use things but step very light.
Has any one at all focused on any issue,They change as the wind blows.
As far as the pres. goes either way I belive we are screwed.
We need to start to spread out, The Gov. is just one battle. I'm not saying to stop your letter's if that's what you want, I'm saying it's not enough. And put your armor down, I'm not saying battle either. we are about to lose alot of air/paper time as if we got any, but the Actor's are going on strike..................
So that means know new show's more repeats just coming off the writters strike, what will people do.
That will make headlines, and that's what the John Doe will be reading.Might even send people postal.
Yesterday Honeybear, she's on here sometime's was telling me when she went to the store some guy locked himself in a bank with a bomb.
lost his buissness, home and wife................
Our troops are dieing, Americans are facing the lost of everything. Indep. / o/op. for the most part are done, and all the new's feel is important is that people who make more in one show or movie then most of us make in a life time are going to strike.
Pretty messed up, is'nt it..................................
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Heya there..sent him to work.. somebody gotto do something..
We are practically neighbors, I live in Joelton.
Luna, we are sooooo screwed for the next four years, it just makes me sick..

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We are practically neighbors, I live in Joelton.
Luna, we are sooooo screwed for the next four years, it just makes me sick..
Hello TN truckers wife..Nice to "meet" you...yes we're just about 40 miles from you!
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Not necessarily, ladies.

Has anyone even entertained the notion to vote for anyone but the republican or democrate? This is a major election year. If we have to chose between evils - why not chose whoever's not a republican or democrate? Just a little thought for everyone to consider. This will become inclusive in my weekly statements at the proper time.

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Hello TN truckers wife..Nice to "meet" you...yes we're just about 40 miles from you!
Nice to meet you also, welcome to the forum, always glad to meet a fellow Tennessean here.
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Not necessarily, ladies.

Has anyone even entertained the notion to vote for anyone but the republican or democrate? This is a major election year. If we have to chose between evils - why not chose whoever's not a republican or democrate? Just a little thought for everyone to consider. This will become inclusive in my weekly statements at the proper time.

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Yes, SS I've thought seriously about becoming an Independant
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Since we started this communication campaign - there are now more representatives attempting to do something than there was before...speaking out very passionately. And only through All American citizens uniting and doing the same, will the majority of representatives finally become the force we need in the Senate and House, to get the changes America needs.

With all due respect...you may not believe this to be an effective action, but the actions taken over the past 45 years has not worked. The actions over the past 45 years has not gained the support of representatives, such as this action has. And if you would take notice...this is the same action many other organizations are taking (ei: American Solutions.) Also I will point out one of the major advantages we have on our side...this is a major election year.

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I have to differ with you when you say that they are attempting to do something. All they are attempting to do is buffalo you into thinking they are doing something for you. A perfect example of how much they are going to do for you, is this illegal war they have us involved in. Almost 90% of the people in this country are against the war, they don't want to send any more money to support the war, and they want the troops brought home. Do you see any of this happening? None of it. Is this not the same election year we are in? I think seriously, you really need a reality check. You are putting everything you have on the line and everything a whole lot of poor independents and their families on the line for your obvious unwarranted trust in all of these lapdog politicians. I only hope for all their sakes and their families sakes you're right. If you're not, you have only your close mindedness to look back on. I said it before and I say it again. The letters are a good thing, and probably necessary. They are just not enough. There has to be alot more to get anything accomplished.
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Yes, SS I've thought seriously about becoming an Independant
I'm not suggesting any party line changing...just voting for the best of anyone else but republican or democrate. I think a very clear statement could be made to party affiliates if they have a registry of a certain number of registered republicans or democrates - yet the other candidate wins. Know what I mean? There are so many levels of communicating to the mainstream party lines besides the direct email campaign to elected representatives we're currently pursueing.

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I'm not suggesting any party line changing...just voting for the best of anyone else but republican or democrate. I think a very clear statement could be made to party affiliates if they have a registry of a certain number of registered republicans or democrates - yet the other candidate wins. Know what I mean? There are so many levels of communicating to the mainstream party lines besides the direct email campaign to elected representatives we're currently pursueing.

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Yes, I get your point, interesting thought..
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I have to differ with you when you say that they are attempting to do something. All they are attempting to do is buffalo you into thinking they are doing something for you. A perfect example of how much they are going to do for you, is this illegal war they have us involved in. Almost 90% of the people in this country are against the war, they don't want to send any more money to support the war, and they want the troops brought home. Do you see any of this happening? None of it. Is this not the same election year we are in? I think seriously, you really need a reality check. You are putting everything you have on the line and everything a whole lot of poor independents and their families on the line for your obvious unwarranted trust in all of these lapdog politicians. I only hope for all their sakes and their families sakes you're right. If you're not, you have only your close mindedness to look back on. I said it before and I say it again. The letters are a good thing, and probably necessary. They are just not enough. There has to be alot more to get anything accomplished.
I am in complete agreement with the need for actions to complete the success of our goal. Just to clarify...I've always agreed with you in respect to this.

Maybe this analogy will relay my thoughts a little better on a course of action(s)...the steps to achieve our goal is similar to a cake recipe. There are specific ingredients prepared in a specific order. If you remove any one of the steps, or re-arraign the recipes preparation process...you get something other than what you set out to get.

I don't claim to be the wizard with the magic wand...but I know in my heart the course of action, and the steps which must be taken, is clear to me and can achieve the goal of taking our country back. The issue I'm dealing with...all of us are dealing with...is getting Americans, both professional drivers and citizens, united. This is one of the steps in the recipe, and we are at the point where this must be achieved in order to move on to the next step in the recipe.

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I have kept tring to back away from this, but somethings just keep getting stuck in my head, The truckers way? That's what this was started for.
And all these reps, that everyone keeps putting there hope's in, by the time anything even begin's at the rate it's going they will be gone, and it will be back to square one.And I must mention again, fuel is not our only issue.And Yes I want to bring our troops home. They are in a police action. We don't belong.and
what I am curious about is the cake, if this is a cake, what is the next step?
I belive these are fair questions.
and everyone must understand as a whole this will never happen.
It's only the blue collar that is being effected.
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I'm a little apprehensive with handing the playbook over to the opposition, but Lunachic you make a valid point with your question.

The current step, which we all know, is critical...unity. With the uniting must be a solid, constant voice being heard (our statements.) As we grow in numbers - our representatives will be very aware of this through the number of statements they receive. This alone will be an effective action at getting their attention. Through the statements will be the impending action(s), presented at the proper time, thus preparing all involved. It's not a matter of influencing, but a matter of educating through involvement. So when the time comes for action...all involved will participate knowing the importance of their participation.

Along this path, whenever an opportunity to pursue an action presents itself - we take advantage of it. Using this in our communication campaign as a re-enforcing statement, as well as raising the awareness of all involved as to the importance to commit to following through with what will be asked of them.

As to your statement of our representatives being gone...that's actually going to be to everyone's advantage to some extent. They're not gone - they've only relocated from their offices in D.C. to their home state offices. Now this is the sweet part. Our representatives will be within reach. I may not be able to go to D.C. every week, but I can afford to go to Austin every week. Our reps will be within our grasp, so to speak. This is an opportunity when you really think about it. We've been talking about protest actions around each state capitol. Well now our representatives will be in those state capitols. Get my point.

I hope this helps to answer your question and doesn't allow our representatives to evade the impending situations coming.

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hhtp://youtube.com/watch?=e-LOtkllkcg
If this works, it's good to watch.
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I'm a little apprehensive with handing the playbook over to the opposition, but Lunachic you make a valid point with your question.

The current step, which we all know, is critical...unity. With the uniting must be a solid, constant voice being heard (our statements.) As we grow in numbers - our representatives will be very aware of this through the number of statements they receive. This alone will be an effective action at getting their attention. Through the statements will be the impending action(s), presented at the proper time, thus preparing all involved. It's not a matter of influencing, but a matter of educating through involvement. So when the time comes for action...all involved will participate knowing the importance of their participation.

Along this path, whenever an opportunity to pursue an action presents itself - we take advantage of it. Using this in our communication campaign as a re-enforcing statement, as well as raising the awareness of all involved as to the importance to commit to following through with what will be asked of them.

As to your statement of our representatives being gone...that's actually going to be to everyone's advantage to some extent. They're not gone - they've only relocated from their offices in D.C. to their home state offices. Now this is the sweet part. Our representatives will be within reach. I may not be able to go to D.C. every week, but I can afford to go to Austin every week. Our reps will be within our grasp, so to speak. This is an opportunity when you really think about it. We've been talking about protest actions around each state capitol. Well now our representatives will be in those state capitols. Get my point.

I hope this helps to answer your question and doesn't allow our representatives to evade the impending situations coming.

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Not what I meant. after the elections know matter which idiot get in, Even if we pull off Indep. but that's not looking good, the Hill will be a total mess, I don't think anything will be resolved with our elelcted off.Buy and if the time they pull their crap together, there terms will be up.alot wont rerun and alot of new names's will be popping up.I feel a lot of important issues will be shuffled around for a long time.It's going to be a I'll show you one of those things on the Hill.
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Hey SS

Rep. Joe Barton from Texas, Energy & Commerce committee, on C-SPAN @ 11am.
Where does that fat f_ck live? I've got a tar & feather tuxedo for that treasonous bastard!
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