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Old 06-12-2008   #21
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When the Gov. as a whole performs what one might conclude as a injustice agaisnt citizens of America.
Would they still be covered under color of State/and or cloth?
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Ain't sure I understand your question, Luna. Do you mean is the Gov committing TREASON?
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Look...... the country goes bonkers over tomatoes making 120 sick, but we hear very little if anything at all about 44,000 truckers parking their trucks last month. I just wonded how much more American truckers will take before they start pushing back.

The same questions are being asked here.....
European truckers are protesting, doing the job that American truckers should be supporting.


This is a true story

After my Dad left the Navy in 1946 he got a government loan and bought his first truck. He was leased to North American Van Lines then. During summer vacation from school I would travel all over America with him for two and three months. This was a time when trucks weren't much larger then many pick-up trucks today. There were no Freeways in the country at the time. I remember like it was yesterday. We were just west of Texarkana Texas, pulling out of a gas station. Dad was going through the gears and was about to shift again when a patrol car came up behind with lights and siren going. Dad pulled over. The cop walk up to the truck and asked for license. Dad asked what it was all about. "You were speeding". "Hey I was still in third gear with a full load, how the hell could I be speeding?" Well anyway the Cop hauled Dad off to the judge, while I sat in the truck. Dad ended (now this is 1947-48) paying $75.

Dad dropped his load off the next day in Dallas, we laid over that night. Dad picked up a half load, and headed east to pick up another load going to North Carolina. We were going back through the same area of Texas again when the same Cop pulled Dad over again for speeding. But this time the Cop said that Dad could save some money if he just paid him $50. I think Dad was white knuckled and a red as a beet, and would have beat the hell out of the Cop right there and then, but because I was there .... he paid the money.

That night we stayed at a motel on just on the west side of this small town Dad got pulled over in. During the night Dad woke me and said he was going to fill up the truck. Dad dropped the trailer and told me to stay in the motel room.

About two hours later at first light Dad come back to the motel. He hooked up the trailer while I was getting dressed, and then we headed east out of town. We were about a mile of so out of town when we past the Cop's patrol car that was setting on the side of the road, as we past the car I looked back afraid Dad might get nailed again. The front of the patrol car was pushed in, and in the set sat the Cop with his head down.

That day while we were driving I noticed that Dad kept looking in the side mirror. I also notice that the knuckles on both hand were cut up. He never said a word about what had happened that day except to say "Never take shit from a asshole twice." A day or two later I asked Dad if he had killed the Cop. He said the Cop wasn't worth killing, he said he just wanted to make sure we had time to get out of the state.

In later years Dad ended up with a company with eight tractors, twelve trailers, and ten drivers.

How much longer are American truckers going to take this shit. Anyone out there got the answer?

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Ain't sure I understand your question, Luna. Do you mean is the Gov committing TREASON?
it means they are protected by law, and cant be held lible.
but I'm not sure if it means the Gov. as a awhole.
I guess you might be able to look at it as a form of treason, agaisnt the people, and we might be able to hold them accountable a legal way.

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And more so now with the impeachment actions going on.
also The gov. has the abilty to stop the forced sale of the rail, they did it befor during war they took controll of it, And we are at war.
just a thought, need smokes. c.r.s. set in and I forgot where I put my money, it's either count change or go to the big store......lol
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Hey Greyfoxx, maybe we need a thread "Storytime".
I liked that one, tell another ,huh,c'mon
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And more so now with the impeachment actions going on.
also The gov. has the abilty to stop the forced sale of the rail, they did it befor during war they took controll of it, And we are at war.
just a thought, need smokes. c.r.s. set in and I forgot where I put my money, it's either count change or go to the big store......lol
What impeachment? 100% of Dem voted to send Kucinich's resolution to committee where it will die a quiet death. Rep wanted a vote on the floor so they could say,"Those guys are trying to hurt our Pres"
I say arrest the bastard and hang him!
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What impeachment? 100% of Dem voted to send Kucinich's resolution to committee where it will die a quiet death. Rep wanted a vote on the floor so they could say,"Those guys are trying to hurt our Pres"
I say arrest the bastard and hang him!
yes but it has already been brought up, so it's open all 5+ hours of it.
Everyone knew it could not happen the elections are only 5 month's away. He would be out of office befor they could do it, but they opened the door.
Some actions the gov. has to be accountable to.
We the people are innocent, what did we do? It's the Gov. actions that put us where we are at.
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also by right's the Gov. is taking our means of able to work by the cost of running a truck. Everything we do is taxed, over and over, each state we travel in.
With all they require for us to have the right to earn a fair living wont happen.
and that is a right (law).
come on u knew I would bring the trucks into it.....................
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What I was getting at was that putting a burning log into a starbucks bathroom or burning down a governor's mansion not only won't do anything but discredit the argument of anyone who is part of it. Most illegal means of protest will only make the participants seem irrational, extremists. You don't have to do something illegal to gain attention, your effort just needs to be well organized and widespread. BUT I will add this great country was created by what was illegal means at the time.
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What I was getting at was that putting a burning log into a starbucks bathroom or burning down a governor's mansion not only won't do anything but discredit the argument of anyone who is part of it. Most illegal means of protest will only make the participants seem irrational, extremists. You don't have to do something illegal to gain attention, your effort just needs to be well organized and widespread. BUT I will add this great country was created by what was illegal means at the time.
my spell check is gone so bear with me...lol
What you are saying is counterdiction.
how would you organize?
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That's what we are looking for is to organize, join together and make a statement that will be heard.
we need a solution to our problems.
and by statement I mean for some one to listen to us and maybe have answers...........................

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That's why I love history. This great country was founded by terrorists,rebels and traitors (according to King George III). Don't worry about what's legal, worry about what's RIGHT!
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userid605, why do you do that? you post a statement, and when people reply you dont?
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I think he's gone, Luna, maybe browsing. Sometimes I do that.
As far as organizing I say we all go to D.C. the week of the 4th and storm the place. I'll be running on fumes but what the hell. D.C. police might give me a room for the nite. lol
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I think he's gone, Luna, maybe browsing. Sometimes I do that.
As far as organizing I say we all go to D.C. the week of the 4th and storm the place. I'll be running on fumes but what the hell. D.C. police might give me a room for the nite. lol
fumes, I just counted change for cigerettes.
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Believe it or not I work full time among other things and can not update my posts every time someone replies.. Anyways sorry for the apparent contridiction I meant stupid illegal acts like the burning log in bathrooms and and burning of the governers mansion not only won't do anything and discredit those associated with it but endanger those who have no say in gas prices. What I meant by the last line was that I agreed you can let yourself be walked on and sometimes you do have take stronger courses of actions, but I don't believe for this or now. And before any one gets all upset here is my reasoning
1.) name one reasonable illegal act that would actually accomplish anything positive in this situation.. I can't think of any
2.) For this issue there are many positive, legal ways to work towards the goal many of which have been discussed on this forum. (given there is a large beaucratic wall that takes some heavy beating to get through)
3.)While this country was created through was at the time illegal it has in place laws to ensure the safety, and freedoms of its citizens. (don't confuse laws with needless regulations)
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Believe it or not I work full time among other things and can not update my posts every time someone replies.. Anyways sorry for the apparent contridiction I meant stupid illegal acts like the burning log in bathrooms and and burning of the governers mansion not only won't do anything and discredit those associated with it but endanger those who have no say in gas prices. What I meant by the last line was that I agreed you can let yourself be walked on and sometimes you do have take stronger courses of actions, but I don't believe for this or now. And before any one gets all upset here is my reasoning
1.) name one reasonable illegal act that would actually accomplish anything positive in this situation.. I can't think of any
2.) For this issue there are many positive, legal ways to work towards the goal many of which have been discussed on this forum. (given there is a large beaucratic wall that takes some heavy beating to get through)
3.)While this country was created through was at the time illegal it has in place laws to ensure the safety, and freedoms of its citizens. (don't confuse laws with needless regulations)
we are looking for the second one.
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There should be a thread or maybe even a category devoted not to discussion of gas prices but possible solutions. Have a thread where all people can do is say their idea or resource they have found - then have a seperate thread for actual discussion that way you'll have a clean thread of reasources only.

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Drillnow.net has petition,info,forums,& more
Americansolutions has petition (newt gingrich)

Whoever:
I'm organizing a rally at anytown,us 1/1/2000
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Thread 2
Criticalposter:
I think userid605's ideas are WORTHLESS!!

Whoever:I think we should focus on.. etc etc

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just googled him has his own board. think this is up to Bull, it's his forum.
and you ttw. your the rep.
want to deal with it.
sounds like a good idea to me, and he's not green......lol

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