Truck Stop Boycott..T.A. not Pilot reason

[lunachic]

I would like to bring up a different T.S. to Boycott.
The pilot is only fuel and food.
The one's that are really sticking it to us.O.T.R.
Trucks are the one's with shops.
after spending time on the phone today with friends, The worst is The T.A.

[ronin]

Many companies make sure that only one truck stop is used - Covenant, for example, uses Pilot exclusively. I probably only fueled 2-3 times at a TA, and that was only 50 gallons. Having people stay away from Pilot is probably impossible. TA, though....

[TN. TRUCKERS WIFE]

The reason Pilot was chosen was because they are the largest profit maker just like Exxon.

[lunachic]

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Originally Posted by TN. TRUCKERS WIFE The reason Pilot was chosen was because they are the largest profit maker just like Exxon.

maybe for a local truck, but not a truck that runs the road.
Everything about trucking does not revole around oil.
As per if our truck ran local, we would have the ability to buy and fix ourself.
but when you are on the road you dont have that advantage.
Also as far as profit you need to seperate fuel products from overall store.

[midnight lover]

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Originally Posted by TN. TRUCKERS WIFE The reason Pilot was chosen was because they are the largest profit maker just like Exxon.

Maybe you've seen this one before

WHERE TO BUY AMERICAN GASOLINE. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON.<FONTFACE=ARIAL

Gas rationing in the 70's worked even though we grumbled about it. It might even have been good for us!

Are you aware that the Saudis are boycotting American products?

Shouldn't we return the favor? Can't we take control of our own destiny and let these giant oil importers know who REALLY generates thei r profits, their livings? How about leaving American Dollars in America and reduce the import/export deficit?

An appealing remedy might be to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up your car you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just purchase gas from companies thatdon't import their oil from the Saudis.

These companies import Middle Eastern oil:

Shell................................... 205,742,000 barrels

Chevron/Texaco.................. 144,332,000 barrels

Exxon/Mobil....................... 130,082,000 barrels

Marathon/Speedway............ 117,740,000 barrels

Amoco................................ 62,231,000 barrels

And CITGO oil is imported from Venezuela by Dictator Hugo Chavez who hates America and openly avows our economic destruction! (We pay Chavez regime nearly $10 Billion per year in oil revenues!)

The U.S. currently imports 5,517,000 barrels of crude oil per day from OPEC. If you do themath at $95 per barrel, that's over $524 million PER DAY ($191 BILLION per year!) handed over to OPEC, many of whose members are our confirmed enemies!!!!!

Here are some large companies that do notimport Middle Eastern oil:

Sunoco....................... 0 barrels
Conoco....................... 0 barrels
Sinclair....................... 0 barrels
BP / Phillips................ 0 barrels

Hess.............................................. .... 0 barrels
ARC0.......................................... 0 barrels

Maverick...................... 0 barrels

Flying J. ........................................... 0 barrels

Valero..........................0 barrels

All of this information is available from the U.S. Department of Energy and each company is required to state where they get their oil and how much they areimporting.

[midnight lover]

What about the LOVE'S?

[Greyfoxx]

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Originally Posted by midnight lover Maybe you've seen this one before WHERE TO BUY AMERICAN GASOLINE. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON.<FONTFACE=ARIAL Gas rationing in the 70's worked even though we grumbled about it. It might even have been good for us! Are you aware that the Saudis are boycotting American products? Shouldn't we return the favor? Can't we take control of our own destiny and let these giant oil importers know who REALLY generates thei r profits, their livings? How about leaving American Dollars in America and reduce the import/export deficit? An appealing remedy might be to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up your car you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just purchase gas from companies thatdon't import their oil from the Saudis. These companies import Middle Eastern oil: Shell................................... 205,742,000 barrels Chevron/Texaco.................. 144,332,000 barrels Exxon/Mobil....................... 130,082,000 barrels Marathon/Speedway............ 117,740,000 barrels Amoco................................ 62,231,000 barrels And CITGO oil is imported from Venezuela by Dictator Hugo Chavez who hates America and openly avows our economic destruction! (We pay Chavez regime nearly $10 Billion per year in oil revenues!) The U.S. currently imports 5,517,000 barrels of crude oil per day from OPEC. If you do themath at $95 per barrel, that's over $524 million PER DAY ($191 BILLION per year!) handed over to OPEC, many of whose members are our confirmed enemies!!!!! Here are some large companies that do notimport Middle Eastern oil: Sunoco....................... 0 barrels Conoco....................... 0 barrels Sinclair....................... 0 barrels BP / Phillips................ 0 barrels Hess.............................................. .... 0 barrels ARC0.......................................... 0 barrels Maverick...................... 0 barrels Flying J. ........................................... 0 barrels Valero..........................0 barrels All of this information is available from the U.S. Department of Energy and each company is required to state where they get their oil and how much they areimporting.

BP is the only oil company on your list that is on the west coast that is on every street corner, and we have been boycotting them from years. Arco is few and far between, and for us the only one I know of is 4.5 hours away, and the flying J even harder to find. You can't expect people to drive all over town trying to find an oil company that isn't corrupt. All the oil companies are gouging us, not just those importing the Arab terrorist's oil.

[BANDIT]

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Originally Posted by lunachic maybe for a local truck, but not a truck that runs the road. Everything about trucking does not revole around oil. As per if our truck ran local, we would have the ability to buy and fix ourself. but when you are on the road you dont have that advantage. Also as far as profit you need to seperate fuel products from overall store.

I have to agree with you luna, The bigger TStops with the repair shops, tire and part sales, etc. are and have been raping the independant drivers and small fleet companys for years. They not only screw you on the price at the pump, but also on the price inside the door. They all have the same "GOTCHA" attitude.

[midnight lover]

Sorry i was just passing on info i got.

[midnight lover]

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Originally Posted by Greyfoxx BP is the only oil company on your list that is on the west coast that is on every street corner, and we have been boycotting them from years. Arco is few and far between, and for us the only one I know of is 4.5 hours away, and the flying J even harder to find. You can't expect people to drive all over town trying to find an oil company that isn't corrupt. All the oil companies are gouging us, not just those importing the Arab terrorist's oil.

sorry i was just trying to help and pass on info i got today witch is old news to some but helpfull to others. NO i dont expect you to drive all over town. Have a good day

[lunachic]

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Originally Posted by midnight lover Sorry i was just passing on info i got.

Don't be sorry, it was good info.

[Robert929]

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Originally Posted by midnight lover Maybe you've seen this one before WHERE TO BUY AMERICAN GASOLINE. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON.<FONTFACE=ARIAL Gas rationing in the 70's worked even though we grumbled about it. It might even have been good for us! Are you aware that the Saudis are boycotting American products? Shouldn't we return the favor? Can't we take control of our own destiny and let these giant oil importers know who REALLY generates thei r profits, their livings? How about leaving American Dollars in America and reduce the import/export deficit? An appealing remedy might be to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up your car you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just purchase gas from companies thatdon't import their oil from the Saudis. These companies import Middle Eastern oil: Shell................................... 205,742,000 barrels Chevron/Texaco.................. 144,332,000 barrels Exxon/Mobil....................... 130,082,000 barrels Marathon/Speedway............ 117,740,000 barrels Amoco................................ 62,231,000 barrels And CITGO oil is imported from Venezuela by Dictator Hugo Chavez who hates America and openly avows our economic destruction! (We pay Chavez regime nearly $10 Billion per year in oil revenues!) The U.S. currently imports 5,517,000 barrels of crude oil per day from OPEC. If you do themath at $95 per barrel, that's over $524 million PER DAY ($191 BILLION per year!) handed over to OPEC, many of whose members are our confirmed enemies!!!!! Here are some large companies that do notimport Middle Eastern oil: Sunoco....................... 0 barrels Conoco....................... 0 barrels Sinclair....................... 0 barrels BP / Phillips................ 0 barrels Hess.............................................. .... 0 barrels ARC0.......................................... 0 barrels Maverick...................... 0 barrels Flying J. ........................................... 0 barrels Valero..........................0 barrels All of this information is available from the U.S. Department of Energy and each company is required to state where they get their oil and how much they areimporting.

That's some good info right there, but I have a question. Since I live not far from Refinery Row, Tx. and there is a BP/AMOCO refinery down there, there is a Chevron/Phillips even closer to my home than the other one! My question I guess is, according to your data, what happens when they do the co-op thing? What I'm trying to say is you see Flyin' J trucks loading up at Shell refineries, and delivering at Conoco's branded gas stations etc., so what gives? They all benefit from Middle Eastern Oil!!!! Btw, last I checked BP was British Petroleum, with ownership stock in Shell. (The Royal Dutch Petroleum Company). What can we do??? New Biodiesel refinery opens in Texas and most of the fuel made will go overseas, so I read somewhere, again what can we do?....

[gearjammer]

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Originally Posted by Robert929 That's some good info right there, but I have a question. Since I live not far from Refinery Row, Tx. and there is a BP/AMOCO refinery down there, there is a Chevron/Phillips even closer to my home than the other one! My question I guess is, according to your data, what happens when they do the co-op thing? What I'm trying to say is you see Flyin' J trucks loading up at Shell refineries, and delivering at Conoco's branded gas stations etc., so what gives? They all benefit from Middle Eastern Oil!!!! Btw, last I checked BP was British Petroleum, with ownership stock in Shell. (The Royal Dutch Petroleum Company). What can we do??? New Biodiesel refinery opens in Texas and most of the fuel made will go overseas, so I read somewhere, again what can we do?....

finally someone that gets it, the truck stops get their fuel from whom ever has it so you really don't hurt the oil companies by boycotting a certain chain the oil companies will just sell to whomever needs the fuel.

now that doesn't mean that a boycott won't work, in changing things for the better as it would scare the hell out of all the chains if one was to work.

I am in agreement that the T/As should be the one boycotted, first off they are by and large the shittiest one out there, they are under financial strain anyhow, and they always charge the most for fuel in a given area.they would be the easiest to run out of business by boycotting.

once the other chains see what we could do and we announce that te next one would be say loves or then pilot they would take us seriously and start working with us instead of against us

[shadowdr]

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Originally Posted by gearjammer finally someone that gets it, the truck stops get their fuel from whom ever has it so you really don't hurt the oil companies by boycotting a certain chain the oil companies will just sell to whomever needs the fuel. now that doesn't mean that a boycott won't work, in changing things for the better as it would scare the hell out of all the chains if one was to work. I am in agreement that the T/As should be the one boycotted, first off they are by and large the shittiest one out there, they are under financial strain anyhow, and they always charge the most for fuel in a given area.they would be the easiest to run out of business by boycotting. once the other chains see what we could do and we announce that te next one would be say loves or then pilot they would take us seriously and start working with us instead of against us

From Pilot oil's website.




Quote:The nation's largest operator of travel centers and largest seller of over-the-road diesel fuel.
By 2001 Pilot was operating 65 convenience stores and 140 travel centers in 37 states. On September 1, 2001, Pilot Corporation and Marathon Petroleum Company(MPC) entered into an agreement to form Pilot Travel Centers (PTC). MPC is the nation's fifth largest petroleum refiner. MPC's 974,000 barrels per calendar day (bpcd) of crude refining capacity represents six percent of the total U.S. capacity.
In February 2003, Pilot acquired Williams Travel Centers, doubling the size of the company.

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Now if you cannot see how a boycott would be effective agaist two companies combining to monopolize the sale of diesel fuel then you must be blind. There is only one reason that diesel is higher the gas, control of the market. Pilot owns all pilots, bought out Williams, Mapcos and all independents to controll regional diesel sales. Together with Marathon which already owned Marathon and Speedways is setting prices by control, not supply and demand.

This was an earlier post of mine that pointed out why Pilot. 6% of all refined oil in America, more then all the refined diesel used in America. To boycott goods and services of a truckstop is missing the point, OTR drivers need these. TA also has a cost plus program for many OTR that makes their fuel the cheapest you can buy.
Today I will remove my signs and will not boycott anyone.

[gearjammer]

I can honor a boycott but I just don't believe in them they never work, right now i am boycotting Ca. and have been for about a year, also the state I live in [ohio] I have been boycotting by not buying any fuel in the state since 2000 when there was a big push to change the split speed laws, It seems like I am a one man boycott in both of those states.

its like the run compliant program that OOIDA pushed,yea right, if you logged every time you polished the truck or cleaned the inside or waited at the dock you would never get any driving done,it was a great idea but no one is gonna do it.

the only thing that has EVER worked is a shutdown and the drivers today just will not do it at least not yet,other countries are leading the way and they will end up benefiting from their efforts the American drivers will end up with sloppy seconds unless they get their collective acts together, but whats new, it seem like most Americans are willing to settle for second place anymore.

[BANDIT]

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Originally Posted by gearjammer I can honor a boycott but I just don't believe in them they never work, right now i am boycotting Ca. and have been for about a year, also the state I live in [ohio] I have been boycotting by not buying any fuel in the state since 2000 when there was a big push to change the split speed laws, It seems like I am a one man boycott in both of those states. its like the run compliant program that OOIDA pushed,yea right, if you logged every time you polished the truck or cleaned the inside or waited at the dock you would never get any driving done,it was a great idea but no one is gonna do it. the only thing that has EVER worked is a shutdown and the drivers today just will not do it at least not yet,other countries are leading the way and they will end up benefiting from their efforts the American drivers will end up with sloppy seconds unless they get their collective acts together, but whats new, it seem like most Americans are willing to settle for second place anymore.

AMEN.......Well Said, & Well Put

[coop1962]

I hear all the complaining about pricing of truck service,When was the last time you took you auto to the shop. They charge about as much as truck service centers.About 100.00 per hour.30% goes to the technician.If he is good it's worth it.If he is a bad tec,then no its not worth it.30 % Medical and insurance and other benefits,so that leaves 20% net profit.Lower than your 30% net driving a truck,at least until fuel got so far out of hand. And as for fuel pricing the truck stops dont make a whole lot on fuel,It's the wholesalers and bond traders that are hitting the big time right now.
P.S. if you have a problem with pricing or service see the shop manager,If that does no good call the home office. All truck stops have a 800 number for customer complaints and if warranted are taken very seriously. I know this because I run a shop and we are hear to make a living just like you. Not a killing just a living.

[SilverSurfer]

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Originally Posted by coop1962 I hear all the complaining about pricing of truck service,When was the last time you took you auto to the shop. They charge about as much as truck service centers.About 100.00 per hour.30% goes to the technician.If he is good it's worth it.If he is a bad tec,then no its not worth it.30 % Medical and insurance and other benefits,so that leaves 20% net profit.Lower than your 30% net driving a truck,at least until fuel got so far out of hand. And as for fuel pricing the truck stops dont make a whole lot on fuel,It's the wholesalers and bond traders that are hitting the big time right now. P.S. if you have a problem with pricing or service see the shop manager,If that does no good call the home office. All truck stops have a 800 number for customer complaints and if warranted are taken very seriously. I know this because I run a shop and we are hear to make a living just like you. Not a killing just a living.

Coop1962...do you deal with a lot of intrastate drivers? I have a solid connection with Sen. Sessions legislative assistant, and have been trying to reach out to Alabama drivers. If a lot of his constituents begin contacting him about our current situation...it would go a long way with getting solid support with what we're doing. Sen. Sessions has some pull on the hill and I know this type of contact would light a fire under his butt to maybe get something done, or at least started.

My PR/Lobbyist contact in D.C. suggested this type of action to really get Sen. Sessions to become more aggressive with our attempts to get issues addressed. It would really help if we could get many Alabama resident drivers to begin contacting Sen. Sessions. He is sympathetic to professional drivers, but needs some pushing - if you know what I mean. I'd appreciate a little feedback on this.

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