It is time for a little forum redirection

[Bullwinkle]

The "Trucking Industry Issues" forum was formed after being converted from the "April 1 Shutdown" forum. Much was accomplished from the April 1 Shutdown, even though there was little actual participation in the shutdown. The bottom line is that it opened the eyes many, and it has more people pushing for change in this industry.

The result? This forum converted into a forum called "Trucking Industry Issues", a place where those who are interested in working toward turning the trucking industry around can network together, discuss issues, and ultimately accomplish some goals to help this industry. There are truckers who don't want to be involved in threads like this though, which is why we created this individual area.

I think it is also very important for all that participate in this forum to realize that we have 15+ more trucking related forums here at this site for you all to continue to interact in an environment that isn't about "trucking industry issues". I would encourage all of you to spend some time occasionally in these other forums and interact in a less stressful environment. Otherwise, the strain involved in "fixing the industry" is going to become too frustrating for some of you.

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Now, to address some recent issues with the forum

• August Trucker Shutdown
  This was brought up a few days ago, and hit with some mixed ideas, and more than enough controversy. While there may still be a shutdown date officially announced at one of the organizations you have come to know here, there will not be a shutdown resulting from a combined effort of all of these organizations.
  The Truckers Forum would have supported a shutdown effort if it had been a combined effort of the organizations out there, but since this isn't happening, this website will not be pushing it. We welcome any and all posting of information about it, but we will leave it up to the individual member as to whether we want to support it or not.
• This Is Not An Oil Forum
  Let me be clear in what I mean here. I support discussions of various boycotts in efforts to bring fuel prices down, and encourage discussion of such.
  While I understand the importance of oil and it's relation to the trucking industry, much of the oil discussion is not directly trucking industry related and will need to be discussed in our "Layover Tavern". I will consider adding a "Politics Forum" to this site, but that is something I really have to put some thought into.
  From this point on though, the general oil discussion needs to take place in the Layover Tavern until a decision is made in regards to a Politics Forum.
• Respect Of Other Members
  This has become a very important issue at this forum as of late. I have let most of this go up to this point, but the time has come to step in and make sure this gets cleaned up.
  If someone posts a thought or idea that you don't agree with, feel free to debate their ideas, but do it like a responsible adult. Just because it may not be something you agree with, does't make it wrong, and doesn't mean you need to result in name calling and degrading. This will no longer be tolerated here.
  If any of you have a personal agenda with another member here, keep it out of this forum.
• Copying the same post to multiple threads
  This has to stop now. Threads are for discussion, not a place for you to copy/paste the same message over and over and over again.

[TN. TRUCKERS WIFE]

Thanks Bull for pointing out the whole stress thing.. I am working on that.I am also spending more time with my family to relieve some stress. I appreciate being pointed in the right direction..

[rebel]

Well, I'm a little dissappointed but I do understand your position. I respectfully disagree with oil not being a relavent issue but again I get your point. Focus gets lost. Had some pretty cool info on what happened today in the Senate that would affect us all (fuel prices). But I'll try layover tavern. Sad that shutdown won't be endorsed, Good Luck,
Rebel

[Bullwinkle]

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Originally Posted by rebel Well, I'm a little dissappointed but I do understand your position. I respectfully disagree with oil not being a relavent issue but again I get your point. Focus gets lost. Had some pretty cool info on what happened today in the Senate that would affect us all (fuel prices). But I'll try layover tavern. Sad that shutdown won't be endorsed, Good Luck, Rebel

I agree that oil is a relevant issue, but it has taken on the role here of being almost the only issue that gets discussed. Time to start addressing other things as well, and limit oil discussion, in this forum, to topics directly affecting the trucking industry.

A for the shutdown, it would be pushed by this forum, if there was any expectation that the industry as a whole was ready to get behind it. That isn't the case though, and I am not going to push people to get on board with something when I don't feel there is enough structure in place to ensure it's success.

[lunachic]

I agree Bull, and know more letting my mouth over ride my fingers.
I already had made peace with everyone.

[IIronman]

This Is Not An Oil Forum
Let me be clear in what I mean here. I support discussions of various boycotts in efforts to bring fuel prices down, and encourage discussion of such.
While I understand the importance of oil and it's relation to the trucking industry, much of the oil discussion is not directly trucking industry related and will need to be discussed in our "Layover Tavern". I will consider adding a "Politics Forum" to this site, but that is something I really have to put some thought into.
From this point on though, the general oil discussion needs to take place in the Layover Tavern until a decision is made in regards to a Politics Forum. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I respectfully disagree..If we fight to lower fuel (OIL product) oil price is relevent..and yes I get tickled when it falls..like today..sorry the devil made me do it!

[Greyfoxx]

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Originally Posted by IIronman This Is Not An Oil Forum Let me be clear in what I mean here. I support discussions of various boycotts in efforts to bring fuel prices down, and encourage discussion of such. While I understand the importance of oil and it's relation to the trucking industry, much of the oil discussion is not directly trucking industry related and will need to be discussed in our "Layover Tavern". I will consider adding a "Politics Forum" to this site, but that is something I really have to put some thought into. From this point on though, the general oil discussion needs to take place in the Layover Tavern until a decision is made in regards to a Politics Forum. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I respectfully disagree..If we fight to lower fuel (OIL product) oil price is relevent..and yes I get tickled when it falls..like today..sorry the devil made me do it!

With all do respect as well .....If you think the oil debackle isn't part of the truckers plite and the number one problem driving America's economy into the poor house then I would conclude that either your not lessening, or those of us who have been trying to make a differents have been wasting our time here. This isn't just about truckers, with is about all Americans. Yes this Forum needs a shake-up but driving the those away who have been spending hours every day trying to get the message out isn't the way to add troops to the movement, or get the job done.

[TN. TRUCKERS WIFE]

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Originally Posted by Greyfoxx With all do respect as well .....If you think the oil debackle isn't part of the truckers plite and the number one problem driving America's economy into the poor house then I would conclude that either your not lessening, or those of us who have been trying to make a differents have been wasting our time here. This isn't just about truckers, with is about all Americans. Yes this Forum needs a shake-up but driving the those away who have been spending hours every day trying to get the message out isn't the way to add troops to the movement, or get the job done.

I may be wrong and if i am then Bull please correct me. I don't think Bull has a problem with posting news on oil, I think what he means is all the debating on oil. There is a difference in reporting what is happening and debating.. Like i said, if I'm wrong Bull please correct me. And if i'm wrong i appoligize.

[Greyfoxx]

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Originally Posted by TN. TRUCKERS WIFE I may be wrong and if i am then Bull please correct me. I don't think Bull has a problem with posting news on oil, I think what he means is all the debating on oil. There is a difference in reporting what is happening and debating.. Like i said, if I'm wrong Bull please correct me. Thank you..

I hear someone questioning the #1 fact driving us all to this forum. I think the end result of our stuggle here is to make things right for all Americans. That the number one fact is, fuel prices are the root cause for most of America's problems today. Crude oil and the corruption behind the way it is traded on the world market has as must or more validity in this stuggle them anything else being suggested here. There is a very good reason to think that when the truth about how crude is traded a shutdown may not be needed. Make no mistake, there is no question the actions taken by the truckers all arounfd the U.S. has helped to bring the truth out in the open.

But it is not right to push the fuel issue off into some obscure corner of this forum. If I'm wrong its because the reason for changing the format of this forum has not been fully explained here.

Sorry about throwing stones, but in this case the devil is not in the details.


Look at what was happened to oil prices already today.

Bloomberg.com: Energy Prices


Everyone who comes to this forum needs to see this....

C-SPAN | Capitol Hill, The White House and National Politics - C-SPAN

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Senate Commerce Cmte. hearing on Energy Market Manipulation (June 3, 2008)

Greyfox

[gearjammer]

well how about a thread devoted to oil, it is after all on the minds of many and effects every person that drives whether a truck or car.

[Bullwinkle]

If all took the time to read all the posts, and think about what I said, the wouldn't be posting nonsense accusations that I am trying drive people away to discuss an issue.

The issue is there is a ton of oil posts put in here, with no explanation of what the post has to do with the trucking industry.

I perfectly realize that oil affects the trucking industry, it affects everything. But the thread that are posted regarding oil in this forum rarely get discussed in a manner of it's effect on the trucking industry. it becomes a political type discussion in regards to where we should be drilling.

I made a post regarding the "hot fuel" issue. There is a situation where something involving the oil industry directly reflects the trucking industry. It is complete with a link to a survey that I hope all of you took the time to take.

Meanwhile, there is legislation presented on almost a weekly basis that is directly related to trucking, which ultimately goes ignored in this forum. These are the things we should be focusing on.

I have no problem some discussions involving oil, but when it becomes the major area of discussion, then the time comes to refocus the forum.

[Bullwinkle]

The main point I am trying to get across is that while the attention all tends to get funneled toward oil, several other issues go by without a word of discussion, and ultimately, without many truckers even knowing the issues ever existed.

[gearjammer]

you are very right there, the Mexican truck problem, the stuff that CARB is doing and it is doing a lot, split speed laws that are being tried in several stated governments, to name a few and they all need attention or the special interests will get their way.

it is much easier to stop theses things than to get them repealed.

[Bullwinkle]

One more thing added to this, after I just spent 30 minutes cleaning up the forum.

• Copying the same post to multiple threads
  This has to stop now. Threads are for discussion, not a place for you to copy/paste the same message over and over and over again.

[NCstroker]

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Originally Posted by Bullwinkle One more thing added to this, after I just spent 30 minutes cleaning up the forum. Copying the same post to multiple threads This has to stop now. Threads are for discussion, not a place for you to copy/paste the same message over and over and over again.

Good call Bullwinkle... I completely understand that people are frustrated and very impassioned. But the same message over and over again was really more annoying than helpful.

[lunachic]

yea, I shut down so I did'nt reply.
tks

[Greyfoxx]

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Originally Posted by NCstroker Good call Bullwinkle... I completely understand that people are frustrated and very impassioned. But the same message over and over again was really more annoying than helpful.

Frustrated? I am furious over the inaction here on this site.


Your new to this forum ...... we've been screwing with the idea of a protest now for over three months. The rest of the world's truckers are Slowing Down, Shutting Down, throwing rocks, and burning tires. My friends in England and France are asking why American Truckers are not joining them in this struggle. We can't get anything done on the website, only talk about what their going to do. You need to look at all the posts that Bandit and I have entered on this forum over the last three and a half months, and then tell me want you would do get these people into gear. The movers and shakers on this site are giving up and moving on to other forum sites. There just a lot of hot air blowing around here.

Good Luck if you think you can get more than just a handfull of these people on this website mad enough to do anything more than wimper like wipped puppies, or fight amoug themselves.

[NCstroker]

Nobody is saying the cause isn't just. But posting the same few sentences over and over again in every thread you can find will accomplish nothing. If you are driving down the highway and see 50 billboards in a row all saying "Eat at McDonalds".. are you suddenly gonna decide at billboard number 49 that you want to stop at McDonalds?

[Bullwinkle]

Greyfoxx, I think you have a big misunderstanding of what this forum is about.

It is a "truckers forum", it is not a "protest forum".

I opened up an additional forum in here due to the huge interest in the April Shutdown, and the need for a place where people who supported it could meet. You wasn't going to get that anywhere else. Nowhere.

That shutdown is over, and I felt that it would be a good idea for this part of the forum to continue as a place to discuss "industry issues", yet day after day, most of it, if it isn't related to oil, goes un-discussed.

You are trying to use this forum as a place to organize protests, and while I support the idea of protests, not everyone who participates in here does. So, if you think you are going to convince everyone here to join one of your protests, you are fighting a losing battle.

Now, you want to pop off about how you are moving on because we are full of hot air? The door was unlocked when you came in, and it remains unlocked for you to leave whenever you want. However, we don't need some dramatized whining about you leaving. Just leave if that is what you feel you should do. I am sure there are plenty trucking forums out there just waiting on pins an needles for the opportunity to ban you for posting a ton of copy/pasted oil articles and links.