Petition To Congress to Allow Imediate Drilling for American Oil

[userid605]

Greyfoxx -

What do you support on the issue?

What do you think is the best course of action?

The thread has turned into bash the others opinion when I was really hoping it to be more constructive - so trying to get back on track what is your input. (short and simple if you don't mind)

[4x4]

Petiton emails are great to get the word out,However Talking to Legislatures as of lately and Lobbyists, Congress doesnt Even Aknowledge On line petitions They have to be written and signed in ink and delivered to them for them to even Give it consideration.

[Greyfoxx]

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Originally Posted by userid605 Greyfoxx - What do you support on the issue? What do you think is the best course of action? The thread has turned into bash the others opinion when I was really hoping it to be more constructive - so trying to get back on track what is your input. (short and simple if you don't mind)

I don't do anything short and simple ......

I sign petition all the time .... but I read them first, most people don't. I have a problem drilling holes in National Forest, State parks, Federal Parks, or Wilderness areas. I seen wells in the middle of Hollywood, and Santa Barbara. I don't have problem drilling in the Gulf with the new drilling techniques. Your petition called for drilling in ANWR, and that where we parted company. Have you ever been there? I've spent some time up there during summer vacation when I was teaching at the Mendocino Art Center. It's magic, pure, it's not like anything you'll find in the lower anywhere in the lower 48, or in Canadian Rockies. People who have grown up the suburbia or a city will never understand why so many people get so enraged at the idea of exploiting a place like Alaska when there's no good reason to. I've spent some time in New York city back in the 60's though the 80s. I once had a native New Yorker ask me if we had ever had trouble with the Indians back in Cincinnati? I didn't know want to say.

I disagree with exporting one drop of our oil. BP & EXXON agreed not to export, but they lied. I learned that they lie about everything. Next, the wildlife has not and will not recover for centuries because of the oil spills, they lied again.
heating and pumping crude to the lower 48 cost money, but why heat it, pump it, or even drill it if we have all the oil we need for the nest 100 year right here in the continental U.S.? Next we should be pounding holes in the door of Congress demanding that the build refineries next to the Bakken Oil Field, and building a pipeline to other nearby refineries, and start tomorrow.

When you said that some living things were doing better in Alaska because of the heat from the pipeline, I nearly shit. I hiked and mountain biked all through mountains on the west coast and I've seen clear-cuts that would break your heart. because some dumbass said it was more economical to do it that way. We are the Stewarts of this planet, we don't own one inch of it, there are no planets like it anywhere else in the universe. The Bible says we hold dominion over all things, and its just that kind of moronic logic that pushed out of the church. To say thou sure not kill, doesn't mean but only when its suits our needs. This may all sound way to esoteric, but I've seen a lot of this planet, over the years and I wouldn't trade part of it for heaven itself.

[midnight lover]

Not that i need to have what i say posted but i like to follow the rules so i ask did i say somthing bad on this thred? I ask because where i did step up and say yes i would do what ever i could to help all of us from that one on my replys was pulled. Please if i spoke badly let me know. Or if i said some thing wrong please tell me. thanks

[TN. TRUCKERS WIFE]

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Originally Posted by midnight lover Not that i need to have what i say posted but i like to follow the rules so i ask did i say somthing bad on this thred? I ask because where i did step up and say yes i would do what ever i could to help all of us from that one on my replys was pulled. Please if i spoke badly let me know. Or if i said some thing wrong please tell me. thanks

As far as i know everything is good with you. I will contact silver surfer and have him get in touch with you.. Thanks.. Hey hun, silver surfer requested your information on the top thread "REPS/LEADERS" it is on post #42 on the thread..Sorry i thought you and he had worked that out..

[lunachic]

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Originally Posted by midnight lover Not that i need to have what i say posted but i like to follow the rules so i ask did i say somthing bad on this thred? I ask because where i did step up and say yes i would do what ever i could to help all of us from that one on my replys was pulled. Please if i spoke badly let me know. Or if i said some thing wrong please tell me. thanks

every one wont agree on everything.
But that is what this is about,
maybe when it's all said and we find a direction. It will work out.
I say alot of wrong things, lol
so I cant say what someone else say's is right or wrong.
I just have my opinion, and I speak it.

[userid605]

To 4x4's post I am using a script for the petition that makes the signer have to confirm his email, then it also checks to make sure one person doesn't sign multiple times. Of course it can't be perfect, but its a lot more credible than your usual petition.

To Greyfoxx - I actual do love the outdoors. I haven't had the chance to go out of the country but I've been to the Appalachian, Rockies, canoing in moab,etc. I only support drilling in ANWR if it can be done responsibly - which I know thats going to get me another everyone is lying to us speech and probably true but you always have to hope their is some decency in America for their to be any hope at all. Part of the effort would be making sure an honest (or more likely just legally bound) company to get the spot. And even then I only support it because of the threat it is to our nation sending so much money to those who threaten our freedoms while many Americans are being crushed with the gas prices. Nature before our own conveniences but when it comes comes to our safety and well being I am going to have to put man before beast. *On a side note I haven't found a legit source but I have heard of a proposed oil rig design that looks like a rock for ANWR that would apparently be built as environment conscious as possible. Can anyone confirm or reject this? (please do not reject because you don't think it would happen but have a real source)

And AgainIII - I fully support the Bakken and getting the oil there. The only hold back being it was previous unattainable at by a cost effective means. Recent technology and high gas prices has changed that. Not to mention with no protected environment around it the Gov will have a harder time trying to tie the oil companies hands.

[Greyfoxx]

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Originally Posted by userid605 The part of the petition that says "American Oil companies" would refer to American oil companies.. the part that says "interest of our economy and national security" would refer to allowing companies that are American companies who are going to sell to the U.S. Again It is also in support of drilling in Dakota as well it is part of the petition. I'm not sure why you have assumed the petition is ANWR only. As for the "rape of ANWR" modern drilling (directional drilling) enables drilling sites to extract for places a mile in any direction and they have created wells that are environmentally friendly not to mention they now have switched to an environmentally safe fluid. As for politicians they'll do whatever gets them votes. Because a presidential candidate doesn't support something doesn't mean it can't happen. So what is the basis of your argument? What do you think we should do? Sit back let the few in Washington make the decision as that is working out so well. Finally in case their is still confusion the petition is NOT limited to ANWR but is for anywhere in America that their is a valuable resource of oil.

We all know about horizontal drilling, I and many other on this site have known about it for months and years.

Why can't you understand ...... that If you don't remove ANWR from your petition, that means that everyone who signs your petition is agreeing to the total content of your petition. Remove ANWR from your petition and I'll sign it. Your really a bone head...as long as you keep trying to convence others that drilling at ANWR is a good deal your whistling in the wind.

You need to look at www.care2.com, or org. I would bet you'll find other petitions relating to ANWR.

[userid605]

I never tried to make you sign my petition. I am perfectly fine with it actually why can't you understand that? I already stated my reasons for not changing the petition. You have talked down to me for being young, labeled me arrogant, and to completely discredit me when I have done is try to make a diffence on my own time and dime and share my opinion while not bashing others. Why do you have so much trouble with having an intelligent debate. I have even deferred to you to get information on certain aspects of the issue, but you would rather just try to run me over, even saying "End of subject" as if you have any authority to end it? I'm just confused as to what your problem with me is. I haven't pretended to be supreme authority on the subject, told someone else their opinion was wrong, or have been rude in anyway. I just started this thread to share what I was doing to try to help the issue and give my opinion. Isn't it fair enough - I respect your opinion can you not give me the same courtesy ?

[Cerberus]

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Originally Posted by userid605 I never tried to make you sign my petition. I am perfectly fine with it actually why can't you understand that? I already stated my reasons for not changing the petition. You have talked down for being young, labeled me arrogant, and to completely discredit me when I have done is try to make a diffence on my own time and dime and share my opinion while not bashing others. Why do you have so much trouble with having an intelligent debate. I have even deferred to you to get information on certain aspects of the issue, but you would rather just try to run me over, even saying "End of subject" as if you have any authority to end it? I'm just confused as to what your problem with me is. I haven't pretended to be supreme authority on the subject, told someone else their opinion was wrong, or have been rude in anyway. I just started this thread to share what I was doing to try to help the issue and give my opinion. Isn't it fair enough - I respect your opinion can you not give me the same courtesy ?

+1 to the young pup.

[Cerberus]

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Originally Posted by userid605 I never tried to make you sign my petition. I am perfectly fine with it actually why can't you understand that? I already stated my reasons for not changing the petition. You have talked down to me for being young, labeled me arrogant, and to completely discredit me when I have done is try to make a diffence on my own time and dime and share my opinion while not bashing others. Why do you have so much trouble with having an intelligent debate. I have even deferred to you to get information on certain aspects of the issue, but you would rather just try to run me over, even saying "End of subject" as if you have any authority to end it? I'm just confused as to what your problem with me is. I haven't pretended to be supreme authority on the subject, told someone else their opinion was wrong, or have been rude in anyway. I just started this thread to share what I was doing to try to help the issue and give my opinion. Isn't it fair enough - I respect your opinion can you not give me the same courtesy ?

i am beginning to think he has issues responding to you. everytime you come back and ask questions he runs off. guess he's not used to being questioned on his comments. you have posted some good info and have done so politley and with respect. keep it up.