Petition To Congress to Allow Imediate Drilling for American Oil

[Greyfoxx]

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Originally Posted by userid605 The part of the petition that says "American Oil companies" would refer to American oil companies.. the part that says "interest of our economy and national security" would refer to allowing companies that are American companies who are going to sell to the U.S. Again It is also in support of drilling in Dakota as well it is part of the petition. I'm not sure why you have assumed the petition is ANWR only. As for the "rape of ANWR" modern drilling (directional drilling) enables drilling sites to extract for places a mile in any direction and they have created wells that are environmentally friendly not to mention they now have switched to an environmentally safe fluid. As for politicians they'll do whatever gets them votes. Because a presidential candidate doesn't support something doesn't mean it can't happen. So what is the basis of your argument? What do you think we should do? Sit back let the few in Washington make the decision as that is working out so well. Finally in case their is still confusion the petition is NOT limited to ANWR but is for anywhere in America that their is a valuable resource of oil.

Anyone who signs your petition agrees to the drilling in ANWR, and that is my objection. What part of that don't you understand?

Many year ago I taught in the arts. and one things I learned quickly has that there are those students who refused to lessen because their parents had allowed them to think they were the be all, end all in their own little world, these were the children that talked back to the elders and teachers. Who think that anyone a day or two older than they are are stupid. Than there are those students who's comprehension and logical thinking skill are impaired either from the lack of training or low IQ. You asked, "What is the basses for my argument?" Go back and read my argument again & again until you the left side of you brain becomes warm and soft.

It has be proven that the frontal lobe of the male brain ( that part of the brain that allows the male to make rational decisions ) do not fully develop until or at about the age of 23. Women's frontal lobe develops at or about the age of 18. If you are still confused I would suggest you read Allen F. Harrison, and I believe Robert Bramson's book "The Art of Thinking" (the logical sequent's of thinking and conclusion), or Rinehart Winston's Sociology of Deviant Behavior, if it is still in print. There are a number of other books on Logical thinking, Dr. Karl Albrect's Brain Building may be of some help. But you need to read more and try to develop your comprehension skills. I made myself perfectly clear the first and second time. Your argument does not deserve anymore of my time. Again, this is the end of the subject.

[SilverSurfer]

I've been paying attention to this debate/discussion y'all are having.

userid605...the points being made are very valid. They are explaining to you the importance of spelling out what it is they believe should be clarified. You have returned with statements I would expect from a young man and I give you credit for keeping yourself composed with your responses. I especially want to state that the response to the valdez accident was of a mature, well stated statement. But allow me to point out...instead of squaring off in a corner and defending...consider what is actually being shared. Try to take the input and evaluate whether it merits a change that will improve upon your effort.

I was taught as a young man to always listen to what is being said, not how it's being said, and rationally evaluate the input for it's merit in regards to how it can improve upon what I am trying to accomplish. I'll admit it took many years for me to fully understand that little piece of wisdom. Just re-read what has been posted and think about whether there is any positive you can pull from those posts. The objective should always be to reach your goal...with or without help. And if the choice is without help...stand up as a man and accept the path you have chosen and pursue it with composure, passion and commitment. Another little piece of wisdom..."A man that defends what he does will never achieve his goal, nor acquire the commitment of other individuals." I'm sure you've heard the statement...Actions will always speak louder than words.

-ss-

[Greyfoxx]

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Originally Posted by freightmaster You stand corrected when you say" Drilling will not, and has not hurt the wild life in Alaska". Does Valdez ring any bells? Where the Oil Went This map is a reproduction of a "composite overview of oil spill tracking from March 24, 1989" map originally created by the Alaska Dept. of Environmental Conservation. The oil slick (blue areas) eventually extended 470 miles southwest from Bligh Reef. The spill area eventually totaled 11,000 square miles. Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Trustee Council - History

Good one Freightmaster:

Exxon has refused to pay those who lost their livelihood in the fishing industry even after the Court of Appeals said they must pay the $9 billon that the lower courts said Exxon must pay, that was nine years ago.

[userid605]

1.) I was responding to the others not you so I was answering all the previous arguments.
2.) Age has no affect on the argument, the legitimacy of the petition, and is a poor way to try to discredit someone.
3.) If all your only objection is ANWR thats fine, don't sign the petition. From all I have read and researched (and others) Drilling can be done in ANWR that is safe for the environment, and beneficial to the American people. Several days ago I added a page to my site about environmentally safe drilling.
4.) I'm not sure if you mean by "this is the end of the subject" to mean you expect me to give up promoting the petition at your command, but it really doesn't matter. You can take your qualifying age, arrogance, and your "be all, end all" attitude to somewhere else if you'd like. I never said or pretended to be a supreme authority on the subject, but I have done my research and am always open to new information from others. I did agree with some of the comments made so I gave what I did and still do believe as no one has had real backing to their arguments. Again I am always open to new information if anyone has seen a new credible article source on the subject I would be happy to read it and possibly add it to the site, but thus far you have only tried to force your opinion. Which I respect having your own opinion even while differing from mine I would appreciate the same respect.

[SilverSurfer]

The American Driver - Content

No cargo ships requiring long journeys with potential problems along the way. No miles-long piping necessary with potential problems of terrorist activity or fallable material. New location which the government hasn't had a chance to restrict, or mandate exports from yet...and I say yet, because of our government's history of screwing things up.

Is this credible info to justify pursueing a focused attack to get our government officials to alleviate the permit process for new refineries and restrict the exporting of our resources. Drilling has already begun and for some strange reason, it's not being made very public...like we can't figure that one out.

If you need assistance finding the EIA report this information was pulled from, I'll be happy to assist...as I'm sure others here would be too.

-ss-

[userid605]

SilverSurfer - I've been trying for a while to find a few good articles about the Bakken to add to my site, but as I try to find only the most credible and relevant I have had a little trouble. What sources did you use for your article you can pm me or email I believe I already gave it to you.

[freightmaster]

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Originally Posted by userid605 1.) I was responding to the others not you so I was answering all the previous arguments. 2.) Age has no affect on the argument, the legitimacy of the petition, and is a poor way to try to discredit someone. 3.) If all your only objection is ANWR thats fine, don't sign the petition. From all I have read and researched (and others) Drilling can be done in ANWR that is safe for the environment, and beneficial to the American people. Several days ago I added a page to my site about environmentally safe drilling. 4.) I'm not sure if you mean by "this is the end of the subject" to mean you expect me to give up promoting the petition at your command, but it really doesn't matter. You can take your qualifying age, arrogance, and your "be all, end all" attitude to somewhere else if you'd like. I never said or pretended to be a supreme authority on the subject, but I have done my research and am always open to new information from others. I did agree with some of the comments made so I gave what I did and still do believe as no one has had real backing to their arguments. Again I am always open to new information if anyone has seen a new credible article source on the subject I would be happy to read it and possibly add it to the site, but thus far you have only tried to force your opinion. Which I respect having your own opinion even while differing from mine I would appreciate the same respect.

All oil stays in the US(guaranteed) and no ANWAR or similar sensitive region ...Then I will sign.

Oil Spills and Disasters



1967March 18, Cornwall, Eng.: Torrey Canyon ran aground, spilling 38 million gallons of crude oil off the Scilly Islands.1976Dec. 15, Buzzards Bay, Mass.: Argo Merchant ran aground and broke apart southeast of Nantucket Island, spilling its entire cargo of 7.7 million gallons of fuel oil.1977April, North Sea: blowout of well in Ekofisk oil field leaked 81 million gallons.1978March 16, off Portsall, France: wrecked supertanker Amoco Cadiz spilled 68 million gallons, causing widespread environmental damage over 100 mi of Brittany coast.1979June 3, Gulf of Mexico: exploratory oil well Ixtoc 1 blew out, spilling an estimated 140 million gallons of crude oil into the open sea. Although it is one of the largest known oil spills, it had a low environmental impact.July 19, Tobago: the Atlantic Empress and the Aegean Captain collided, spilling 46 million gallons of crude. While being towed, the Atlantic Empress spilled an additional 41 million gallons off Barbados on Aug. 2.1980March 30, Stavanger, Norway: floating hotel in North Sea collapsed, killing 123 oil workers.1983Feb. 4, Persian Gulf, Iran: Nowruz Field platform spilled 80 million gallons of oil.Aug. 6, Cape Town, South Africa: the Spanish tanker Castillo de Bellver caught fire, spilling 78 million gallons of oil off the coast.1988July 6, North Sea off Scotland: 166 workers killed in explosion and fire on Occidental Petroleum's Piper Alpha rig in North Sea; 64 survivors. It is the world's worst offshore oil disaster.Nov. 10, Saint John's, Newfoundland: Odyssey spilled 43 million gallons of oil.1989March 24, Prince William Sound, Alaska: tanker Exxon Valdez hit an undersea reef and spilled 10 million–plus gallons of oil into the water, causing the worst oil spill in U.S. history.Dec. 19, off Las Palmas, the Canary Islands: explosion in Iranian supertanker, the Kharg-5, caused 19 million gallons of crude oil to spill into Atlantic Ocean about 400 mi north of Las Palmas, forming a 100-square-mile oil slick.1990June 8, off Galveston, Tex.: Mega Borg released 5.1 million gallons of oil some 60 nautical miles south-southeast of Galveston as a result of an explosion and subsequent fire in the pump room.1991Jan. 23–27, southern Kuwait: during the Persian Gulf War, Iraq deliberately released 240–460 million gallons of crude oil into the Persian Gulf from tankers 10 mi off Kuwait. Spill had little military significance. On Jan. 27, U.S. warplanes bombed pipe systems to stop the flow of oil.April 11, Genoa, Italy: Haven spilled 42 million gallons of oil in Genoa port.May 28, Angola: ABT Summer exploded and leaked 15–78 million gallons of oil off the coast of Angola. It's not clear how much sank or burned.1992March 2, Fergana Valley, Uzbekistan: 88 million gallons of oil spilled from an oil well.1993Aug. 10, Tampa Bay, Fla.: three ships collided, the barge Bouchard B155, the freighter Balsa 37, and the barge Ocean 255. The Bouchard spilled an estimated 336,000 gallons of No. 6 fuel oil into Tampa Bay.1994Sept. 8, Russia: dam built to contain oil burst and spilled oil into Kolva River tributary. U.S. Energy Department estimated spill at 2 million barrels. Russian state-owned oil company claimed spill was only 102,000 barrels.1996Feb. 15, off Welsh coast: supertanker Sea Empress ran aground at port of Milford Haven, Wales, spewed out 70,000 tons of crude oil, and created a 25-mile slick.1999Dec. 12, French Atlantic coast: Maltese-registered tanker Erika broke apart and sank off Britanny, spilling 3 million gallons of heavy oil into the sea.2000Jan. 18, off Rio de Janeiro: ruptured pipeline owned by government oil company, Petrobras, spewed 343,200 gallons of heavy oil into Guanabara Bay.Nov. 28, Mississippi River south of New Orleans: oil tanker Westchester lost power and ran aground near Port Sulphur, La., dumping 567,000 gallons of crude oil into lower Mississippi. Spill was largest in U.S. waters since Exxon Valdez disaster in March 1989.2002Nov. 13, Spain: Prestige suffered a damaged hull and was towed to sea and sank. Much of the 20 million gallons of oil remains underwater. 2003July 28, Pakistan: The Tasman Spirit, a tanker, ran aground near the Karachi port, and eventually cracked into two pieces. One of its four oil tanks burst open, leaking 28,000 tons of crude oil into the sea. 2004Dec. 7, Unalaska, Aleutian Islands, Alaska: A major storm pushed the M/V Selendang Ayu up onto a rocky shore, breaking it in two. 337,000 gallons of oil were released, most of which was driven onto the shoreline of Makushin and Skan Bays.2005Aug.-Sept., New Orleans, Louisiana: The Coast Guard estimated that more than 7 million gallons of oil were spilled during Hurricane Katrina from various sources, including pipelines, storage tanks and industrial plants. 2006June 19, Calcasieu River, Louisiana: An estimated 71,000 barrels of waste oil were released from a tank at the CITGO Refinery on the Calcasieu River during a violent rain storm.July 15, Beirut, Lebanon: The Israeli navy bombs the Jieh coast power station, and between three million and ten million gallons of oil leaks into the sea, affecting nearly 100 miles of coastline. A coastal blockade, a result of the war, greatly hampers outside clean-up efforts.August 11th, Guimaras island, The Philippines: A tanker carrying 530,000 gallons of oil sinks off the coast of the Philippines, putting the country's fishing and tourism industries at great risk. The ship sinks in deep water, making it virtually unrecoverable, and it continues to emit oil into the ocean as other nations are called in to assist in the massive clean-up effort.2007December 7, South Korea: Oil spill causes environmental disaster, destroying beaches, coating birds and oysters with oil, and driving away tourists with its stench. The Hebei Spirit collides with a steel wire connecting a tug boat and barge five miles off South Korea's west coast, spilling 2.8 million gallons of crude oil. Seven thousand people are trying to clean up 12 miles of oil-coated coast

[userid605]

For the petition to be effective I believe it needs to be short and concise. Believe me there are plenty of people who believe the same as you about ANWR that I really don't think you need to worry about it. If they open it up it will be under countless rules and government regulations and other economical stranglers (sorry I had to through my opinion on to the end of that ) As for the guarantee part like I said the petition needs to be short and to the point and the line in the petition "in interest of our economy" covers that. I am not trying to force you to sign it - that is just my reason for not changing it not to mention I would have to contact every person who has signed about the change only to find someone else who wants to change it again.

[freightmaster]

Some would say its in the best "interest of our economy" to except a North American Union!

No thanks!

[userid605]

Well yes but of course I didn't leave it at that. "..to reduce our dependence on foreign nations..by allowing American oil companies to drill.." But again I understand your argument and if you don't want to sign it thats fine. You'll also find links on my site so you can email your senator or representative about the topic.

[Greyfoxx]

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Originally Posted by SilverSurfer The American Driver - Content No cargo ships requiring long journeys with potential problems along the way. No miles-long piping necessary with potential problems of terrorist activity or fallable material. New location which the government hasn't had a chance to restrict, or mandate exports from yet...and I say yet, because of our government's history of screwing things up. Is this credible info to justify pursueing a focused attack to get our government officials to alleviate the permit process for new refineries and restrict the exporting of our resources. Drilling has already begun and for some strange reason, it's not being made very public...like we can't figure that one out. If you need assistance finding the EIA report this information was pulled from, I'll be happy to assist...as I'm sure others here would be too. -ss-

605 is still not getting it .....

The reason we are not getting the truth is that when the truth gets out, the bubble will pop. Chevron's plan to start drilling in the Gulf, is now on hold. The reason, the only barge that can set the guide cables for the drilling rigs will not be available until next summer. But there are 33 barges designed to set these cables. The cat is clawing it's way out of the bag, and they are trying to stuff it back in.

As long as they can can keep the wool over the public's eye the more they $$$$ can stuff in their pockets. Most people believe the oil industry's propaganda, and why should we be supprised, how many bubble have we seen in the last 7.6 years. They are the chess masters, they think they can still move whatever they want to wherever they want it. What the enemy keeps forgets is that we have the Internet.

Its not just the US, its China, Russia, France, England and other's who have their fingers in the Fundo. That is why I keep repeating use buzz words and phases, facts that stick, that pop up every time someone tries to keep their lies up front.

Joesph Goebbels; Hitler's minister of propaganda said;

Truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”


The Cost of Energy Blog Archive Bakken: Boon, Bust, or Boondoggle?

Bakken Formation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Elm Coulee Oil Field - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Massive Oil Deposit Could Increase US reserves by 10x

Wildcat producer sparks oil boom on Montana plains

The U.S. Is Poised to Hit a New Oil Gusher - Kiplinger.com

[SilverSurfer]

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Originally Posted by Greyfoxx 605 is still not getting it ..... The reason we are not getting the truth is that when the truth gets out, the bubble will pop. Chevron's plan to start drilling in the Gulf, is now on hold. The reason, the only barge that can set the guide cables for the drilling rigs will not be available until next summer. But there are 33 barges designed to set these cables. The cat is clawing it's way out of the bag, and they are trying to stuff it back in. As long as they can can keep the wool over the public's eye the more they $$$$ can stuff in their pockets. Most people believe the oil industry's propaganda, and why should we be supprised, how many bubble have we seen in the last 7.6 years. They are the chess masters, they think they can still move whatever they want to wherever they want it. What the enemy keeps forgets is that we have the Internet. Its not just the US, its China, Russia, France, England and other's who have their fingers in the Fundo. That is why I keep repeating use buzz words and phases, facts that stick, that pop up every time someone tries to keep their lies up front. Joesph Goebbels; Hitler's minister of propaganda said; Truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” The Cost of Energy Blog Archive Bakken: Boon, Bust, or Boondoggle? Bakken Formation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Elm Coulee Oil Field - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Massive Oil Deposit Could Increase US reserves by 10x Wildcat producer sparks oil boom on Montana plains The U.S. Is Poised to Hit a New Oil Gusher - Kiplinger.com

I hear ya. Excellent post. I'll be using it of course. With your permit...10-4?

-ss-

[userid605]

Greyfoxx - Short and sweet what do you believe on the issue (not bashing my opinion or overloading yours just your opinion). And I'm not asking just so I can try to turn it around I genuinely want to know. And again I fully support utilizing the Bakken resource I'm not sure how everyone got stuck on ANWR. Finally are you saying that I am one of those pushing lies and are you comparing me to Joesph Goebbels?

I don't know why your are persistent in trying to discredit me, I would actually like your help as you seem to have found more credible sources on the Bakken. As it seems every source says something different about it I've been waiting to make a page for it till I was sure I was using the right info.

[midnight lover]

Bad words to others and no one can see eye to eye. YEP!!!!! Sounds like channel 19 on the road.

[rebel]

Interesting discussion both emotionally and intelectually. I have to agree with Greyfoxx hoewever. Drilling for more oil will not get the junkie off his addiction. We need to use renewable fuels that WE produce. The arguements against ethanol, biodiesel and hydrogen are propaganda put out by Big Oil to keep us enslaved. Cars were not meant to run on petroleum, just research Edison and Ford. For the short term I am telling (not asking) Congress and Bush to slap OPEC with tariffs. $135 for oil then $135 for an ear of corn in Saudi Arabia. Now before all the global economists tell mr how stupid I am, why not try it and see if OPEC doesn't back down first. My dad said in 1973 Let them EAT their oil! I'm headed to D.C. in a week or so to say in person what I've said already. The white house # is 202-456-1111. I am not willing to let us be slaves but I will work with anyone who has good ideas to keep this country FREE!

[userid605]

I don't know how I have become the environment bad guy. I fully support finding an alternate fuel source, I've said that multiple times. I only support environmentally safe drilling. I have a page on my site dedicated to it. Until an alternate fuel source is fully established here I can not support sending billions of dollars to those who threaten our freedom while we have to suffer with high gas prices. That is why I support drilling now for domestic oil. Even just starting the process will lower gas prices when our current providers realize we are no longer going to allow them to strangle the American people. Thats my stand despite how others here have over analyzed and twisted my words into something else.

And before someone freaks out about the oil going somewhere else or whatever it has already been discussed read the rest of the thread.

[SilverSurfer]

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Originally Posted by rebel Interesting discussion both emotionally and intellectually. I have to agree with Greyfoxx however. Drilling for more oil is not going to get the junkie off his addiction. We've got to get renewable fuels on the market that WE produce. Otherwise we'll still be slaves to oil companies. The arguements against ethanol, biodiesel and hydrogen are propaganda from Big Oil. If you don't believe me, look at what Edison and Henry Ford did 100 years ago! Cars didn't run on petroleum until Standard Oil stepped in. I won't even talk about the environment - Exxon speaks for itself. Right now for the short term I'm telling, not asking, Congress and Bush to immediately impose tariffs on OPEC. $135 for oil then it will cost you $135 for an ear of corn in Saudi Arabia. Now before all you global economists tell me how stupid I am, why not try it and see if OPEC doesn't back down first. I will not stand by and see this country enslaved but I'm willing to work with someone with good ideas.

As critical as it is to get off oil...the reality is we need both a long term and short term solution. To convert off oil to alternative fuels is not an easy, nor short term, accomplishment. You would have to completely restructure our infrastructure...this alone indicates a potentially long period of time (at least a couple of years or more.) We don't have that long before this nation will be destoyed. We need to utilize our domestic resources immediately to get our economic transportation crisis under control. Eliminate the world's ability to hold our country hostage. At the same time, we need to aggressively pursue alternative sources of energy...doing what we should have started decades ago...building the infrastructure necessary to accommadate alternative fuels. If it's biofuel, then get the infrastructure built. My example is simple...I don't know about you, but I would have to travel over a 100 miles to get to any bio-fuel stations for my transportation needs. Biofuels infrastructure is far from complete, but it's the energy source which could be online nationally, in the shortest amount of time. But once again, it won't happen within a few months.

We have an estimated 7 trillion barrels of oil within shale, as well as around 1 trillion in crude right here in our country. Because of our government locking these resources up, restricting America from utilizing it's own resources, which I have an opinion for why, we are vulnerable to the economic attacks we are currently experiencing. We need to accept reality and deal with our situation with immediate solutions, then aggressively pursue the solutions to get off oil. You can't win a battle if you're trying to win the war...simply put.

And as for OPEC...we tap into our own resources and completely eliminate the need for their oil. Wouldn't you agree this would be more devistating to them than playing the "you charge us...we'll charge you" game? Instead of wasting our countries time dealing with OPEC...simply eliminate them from the picture.

-ss-

[Greyfoxx]

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Originally Posted by SilverSurfer I hear ya. Excellent post. I'll be using it of course. With your permit...10-4? -ss-

Again be my guest......

We are being lied to, it just that simple ...... but when did the Gov not lie to us, and when did America's citizens stand up to knock down a lyre?

Many citizens become very passionate about what is, and is not fair. Americans tend to let their passion for this nation to get in the way of pure facts. The chess masters will tell us lies after lies to keep us on their agenda and away from the truth. Look at the nuke-heads, those who believe the lie that we need nuclear-energy.

We are taking all the nuclear waste from all the nations where GE built Nuke plants. Ever heard of the "White Train" that crosses this nation every other weeks carrying Nuclear waste from other nations to Hanford which is leaking into the Columbia River right now, or to Yaka Mountain which will be filled with nuclear waste by the time they finish building it in ten years. Where do we put all the hot waste then. How about under the homes of those who voted for Nuclear energy.

We are being lied to, it just that simple ...... but when did the Gov not lie to us, and when did America's citizens stand up to knock down a lyre?

Many citizens become very passionate about what is, and is not fair. Americans tend to let their passion for this nation to get in the way of pure facts. The chess masters will tell us lies after lies to keep us on their agenda and away from the truth. Look at the nuke-heads, those who believe the lie that we need nuclear-energy.

We are taking all the nuclear waste from all the nations where GE built Nuke plants. Ever heard of the "White Train" that crosses this nation every other weeks carrying Nuclear waste from other nations to Hanford which is leaking into the Columbia River right now, or to Yaka Mountain which will be filled with nuclear waste by the time they finish building it in ten years. Where do we put all the hot waste then. How about under the homes of those who voted for Nuclear energy.

[SilverSurfer]

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Originally Posted by Greyfoxx Again be my guest...... We are being lied to, it just that simple ...... but when did the Gov not lie to us, and when did America's citizens stand up to knock down a lyre? Many citizens become very passionate about what is, and is not fair. Americans tend to let their passion for this nation to get in the way of pure facts. The chess masters will tell us lies after lies to keep us on their agenda and away from the truth. Look at the nuke-heads, those who believe the lie that we need nuclear-energy. We are taking all the nuclear waste from all the nations where GE built Nuke plants. Ever heard of the "White Train" that crosses this nation every other weeks carrying Nuclear waste from other nations to Hanford which is leaking into the Columbia River right now, or to Yaka Mountain which will be filled with nuclear waste by the time they finish building it in ten years. Where do we put all the hot waste then. How about under the homes of those who voted for Nuclear energy. We are being lied to, it just that simple ...... but when did the Gov not lie to us, and when did America's citizens stand up to knock down a lyre? Many citizens become very passionate about what is, and is not fair. Americans tend to let their passion for this nation to get in the way of pure facts. The chess masters will tell us lies after lies to keep us on their agenda and away from the truth. Look at the nuke-heads, those who believe the lie that we need nuclear-energy. We are taking all the nuclear waste from all the nations where GE built Nuke plants. Ever heard of the "White Train" that crosses this nation every other weeks carrying Nuclear waste from other nations to Hanford which is leaking into the Columbia River right now, or to Yaka Mountain which will be filled with nuclear waste by the time they finish building it in ten years. Where do we put all the hot waste then. How about under the homes of those who voted for Nuclear energy.

So true...

I'm waiting for the bright genius within big brother's walls to come up with the hairbrain idea to shoot it into the sun. Then we'll really be in trouble.

-ss-