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I received an email from Sen. Sessions legislative assistant James Wallner regarding house bill S.2973. This bill is what we talked with Sen. Sessions about. The suspension of the SPR deposits, domestic oil production, new refineries and alternative coal-to-liquid fuels.

We have made an impact on getting heard. Now we need to, more than ever, contact our representatives and impress upon them our need for their support of this bill. Contact your representatives DAILY and pressure them for support of this bill.

We are making a difference my fellow Americans. Stay the course and fight for the change that is needed to put an end to our economy being at the hands of foreign influence. We will take back our country!

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I received an email from Sen. Sessions legislative assistant James Wallner regarding house bill S.2973. This bill is what we talked with Sen. Sessions about. The suspension of the SPR deposits, domestic oil production, new refineries and alternative coal-to-liquid fuels.

We have made an impact on getting heard. Now we need to, more than ever, contact our representatives and impress upon them our need for their support of this bill. Contact your representatives DAILY and pressure them for support of this bill.

We are making a difference my fellow Americans. Stay the course and fight for the change that is needed to put an end to our economy being at the hands of foreign influence. We will take back our country!

Following is the link to the Library of Congress's THOMAS site.
Enter bill number S.2973 and select the bill number radio button, then select search...

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I just looked at the S 2973 bill and it looks like more legislative gobbledygook legalize . What's is the bottom line? I have a problem supporting a bill that sound more like another free ride for the oil companies. Have you read the entire Bill? There a lots there to try and pick out the parts that benefit the general public as far as fuel prices are concerned.

Just like the real estate debacle we are up to our ears in this crude oil debacle. All bubbles burst, and the crude oil/energy bubble will burst.
As more crude oil comes on line the price of crude prices will drop. Those who are in the know are saying that its just a matter of time when crude prices will drop to $60 a barrel or lower. There are a number of OPEC members who are talking about leaving OPEC and going independent.

The new oil fields in Montana, North Dakota (estimated 500 billion barrels of light sweet crude) enough crude to last us 100 years. The new wells coming on line in the Gulf of Mexico (70 billion barrels of light sweet crude) , and then there is Colorado, Oklahoma, and California's new oil fields. The Energy Dept auctioned off 600 new oil leases last year in the U.S. with 600 more expected to be leased in 2008. We already have enough crude ready to come on line, we just have to force the oil companies to start drilling and pumping, and building a refinery infrastructure. The new South China Sea (320 billion) discovery will take pressure for OPEC to produce. The new discoveries out the coast of Cuba, off the coast of Brazil, Australia. There is oil everywhere, they just need to drill it and pump it. But then the bottom line is they need to refine it.

It doesn't matter how much crude is available if you can't refine it in a timely manor. The bottom line is we need as many as 20 new refineries to be built. No one is stopping the oil companies from building more refineries except the oil companies. The Standard oil's preferred stock holders are demanding the management team stop buying back stocks and use that money to build more refiners or the stock holder will fire them and hire a management team who will do what they are told to do.

The other problem is that there are those who think we all need to stop driving and start taking the bus to get to work, to visit grandma. In my town we would have to drive three hours to get to the nearest bus line, or hike three days to get there.

What we need to do is use every available way of letting everyone in the US know that the base problem leading to high fuel prices is the lack of refineries. Its all just as simple as that, we need more refineries. We need to bombard every legislator in Congress that we know want the problem is, to stop the platitudes and gobbledygook, and to the job they were hired to do. We need to write "Letters to the Editor" of every newspaper in the nation. We need to get everyone talking about the need for more refineries.
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Greyfoxx, You say the bubble will burst. I totally agree with you. Now think about this...... The Oil co.'s know this also. They know they can only take until we have nothing left to give. Do you think they are trying to get ALL they can before the bubble burst. HELL how much money does anyone need for a lifetime. After this, they have ALL the American's money. THAT'S ALL THERE IS. Like they say, you can't get blood out of a turnip. I believe they are making all they can before the bubble bursts.
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Greyfoxx,

I appreciate what your asking and stating. Allow me another day or so to completely get through the bill (I'm still going through it.) I can say with confidence thus far...

The deposits to the Strategic Petroleum Reserve will be suspended. As to the time-frame...I'm still researching the bill.

The opening of domestic reserves is the section I'm currently researching, but it appears to be in the right direction.

Building of new refineries is a critical section. No matter how much oil supply there is - until refinery capacity is increased we'll have a bottle-neck problem. This section of the bill I expect to take some time to get through. On the surface it appears to allow companies breaks with land leases and start-up costs. Until I get through this section I can only say this is definitely a positive direction in addressing the issue of not enough refineries to supply our country's needs.

Coal-To-Liqued fuels is a technique that has been around since prior to World War II, utilized by Germany. With todays technological advances in emmision filtering techiques, this is a direction America can utilize to our advantage. Besides the benefit of fuel supply...it sends a signal to the global market. In the 80's, when our government invested in Synthetic Fuels Corportation (C-T-L processing,) the global market reacted with a dramatic decrease in oil prices - which resulted in the demise of Synthetic Fuels Corp. This too I need to still get through.

Overall, Greyfoxx...something needs to be done or we're all in for an extremely bad situation. I'm trying to view this legislation as it being our government is finally at least listening to us citizens. I too am of the feeling...once bitten, twice shy...but I need to maintain the belief that something can get done to fix our present situation - or what's the use. I'll definitely post something up when I get through the whole bill.

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Greyfoxx, You say the bubble will burst. I totally agree with you. Now think about this...... The Oil co.'s know this also. They know they can only take until we have nothing left to give. Do you think they are trying to get ALL they can before the bubble burst. HELL how much money does anyone need for a lifetime. After this, they have ALL the American's money. THAT'S ALL THERE IS. Like they say, you can't get blood out of a turnip. I believe they are making all they can before the bubble bursts.

There is talk that EXXON will be buying all of it's common stock back over the next 10 to 15 years, and then going private. So who would own EXXON if it's privately own? The Preferred Stock owners would be the soul owners. Chevron has started to buy back it's common stock as well.

To address your point. Dicky Cheney started having his secret meeting with the oil companies the minute he take over the nation and put his puppet in the Oval Toilet. Two month later gasoline prices started cripping up, when no one said anything about it they started moving up fast. See there is no regulations on buying crude oil, gold, silver, copper, food, commodities. The carpetbaggers hold on the their commodities until they have driven the prices up to the breaking point and then they dump, making billions. The three top commodite brokerage owners made $3 billon each last year, and two of them were Arabs.

You have to remember there are those to still believe in slavery. When the greedy pig are finished with the U.S. they will start bleeding the Asian countries. I keep saying "Greed is like alcoholism, enough is never enough". The next bubble will be drinking water. There is one company that owns the water right to the two largest aquifers (underground lakes) in the U.S. But that a story for some other time.

It took over a million years for the worlds population to reach four billion in 1980, and it will only take 30 years (three more years) to reach eight billion. At that point it will take only 15 year to reach 16 billion, and another 8 years to reach 32 billion. that is if a pandemic doesn't come along and wipe out most of the population. Like they say "don't mess with mama nature".

There are think tanks in DC operated by the CIA. There are think tanks owned by corporations that want to know what is going to happen in two year, five year, ten year, 20 years. Some of this information leaks out into the investment markets and the nutcakes start blowing bubbles. The real estate bubble, and like every other bubble, when the cow is milked dry, the big boy pull out and the bubble breaks, and like right now when the foreclosures start showing up all over the place the same jackals move in and start buying up foreclosures from the banks and those are about to go into foreclosures for pennies on the dollar. It's nothing new. It's called high powered capitalism. There's a bad side to every good side. After the civil war the "carpetbaggers" from the north drove into the south buying everything up they could get their hands on. The modern day carpetbaggers are on the move, only now their buying crude oil, food, highways (Toll), foreclosed homes, and what is left of the American dream.

Like I've said before Harvard and Yale have educated a lot of CEO's with the morality of "Cheney the Jackel"..... buy, barrow, or steal it, but get it by whatever means possible. Cheney ran the White House when Nixon was president, and look at the trouble Nixon had with Cheney around. Cheney believes that the president has more power than Congress.

The only way we will win this war with Bush and the next president is to get the word out that there is enough crude right here in the good old U.S. of A. All we need to do is drill it, pump it, and refine it, but first we have to build high-tech refineries using state of the art technology. Until then they have us by our cookies. We also need to start a Boycott with EXXON just to get everyone involved.

If I were president I'd sign a presidenual mandate today saying; Start drilling and pumping now or I will nationize American's oil industry in one month, and if fuel price don't drop in the next 90 days I will fine them a million dollars a day until they do, and if fuel price are not where they were three years ago in the next year, I would them all cleaning the restrooms in all the gas stations and truck stops in the country for the next ten years. I would then delare a new national holiday every year, that would start with a six week vacation for all legal Americans ...... with pay. I'd also make it illegal for all the new top CEO's of any corporation to make over $1 million a year.

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Greyfoxx,

I appreciate what your asking and stating. Allow me another day or so to completely get through the bill (I'm still going through it.) I can say with confidence thus far...

The deposits to the Strategic Petroleum Reserve will be suspended. As to the time-frame...I'm still researching the bill.

The opening of domestic reserves is the section I'm currently researching, but it appears to be in the right direction.

Building of new refineries is a critical section. No matter how much oil supply there is - until refinery capacity is increased we'll have a bottle-neck problem. This section of the bill I expect to take some time to get through. On the surface it appears to allow companies breaks with land leases and start-up costs. Until I get through this section I can only say this is definitely a positive direction in addressing the issue of not enough refineries to supply our country's needs.

Coal-To-Liqued fuels is a technique that has been around since prior to World War II, utilized by Germany. With todays technological advances in emmision filtering techiques, this is a direction America can utilize to our advantage. Besides the benefit of fuel supply...it sends a signal to the global market. In the 80's, when our government invested in Synthetic Fuels Corportation (C-T-L processing,) the global market reacted with a dramatic decrease in oil prices - which resulted in the demise of Synthetic Fuels Corp. This too I need to still get through.

Overall, Greyfoxx...something needs to be done or we're all in for an extremely bad situation. I'm trying to view this legislation as it being our government is finally at least listening to us citizens. I too am of the feeling...once bitten, twice shy...but I need to maintain the belief that something can get done to fix our present situation - or what's the use. I'll definitely post something up when I get through the whole bill.

Safe Trails and God Bless,
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SilverSurfer:

First getting a Congressmen to think of the public's welfare is an accomplishment in itself. Oregon Congressmen Peter DeFazio had a Bill that I think would have saved all our problem four year ago .... but guess what, the Bill died in committee, it just sat there with no review and dead. Writing a Bill is what Congressional lackeys do. They filter through all the suggestion made by lobbyists, citizens, and anyone with something to gain from the Bill. I have a friend who has been involved in writing a number of state and federal Bills, and only one made it through the gantlet of Nay-Sayers. California Congressmen Mike Thompson who I've met and talked to about the rising fuel prices four years ago had a Bill in committee. In his bill the wholesale price of gasoline would have to be posted on the gas-pump. It also included tax breaks for new refineries, and guess what .... it died in Committee. When the Oil lobbyists get wind of legislation that would force them to do the bidding of Congress their lobbyist pour out of the woodwork like a thundering herd of termites. We need our own lobbyists to twist the arms of our Congressmen.

I've been researching the fuel debacle for the last 7.5 years, spending upwards of three to four hours a day everyday doing it. My fear is that things have to get a lot worse before they will get a little better. There are those who support high gas prices just to get drivers off the crumbing highway and bridges. There are the rich tourests who are tired of seeing the working class filling the parking lots that were once reserved for only the filth rich, who want the working class to stop mucking things up for them. Then there are those who think that we should all just run right out and buy new $40,000 hybrid cars and trucks. There are a lot of nutcakes out there who think that biofuels will save us, and THAT one is another load of insanity. Ethenol is a sham, it will never work, and besides it a big polluter, and it gives back only two thirds the energy it take to produce it. But that's another story.

I hope you find something in the Bill that will save our butts, but remember it has to get out of Committee before it can voted on, and even then it could die on the floor of the House, or the Senate. In the mean time we need to keep pinching and poking the truth at our lap-dog legislators.

Good Luck.

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Thanks for the link to the bill, I have found incentive to read all pertinent info that I can find, to educate myself on the complex issues that face us all. I have done tons of related research and have read until I can no longer form a complete thought at times. I do have a photographic memory, however I was never taught how to use it. I can remember some things forever, word for word that I have read or heard but others are retained for a very short period. I would appreciate any links with info that are posted on so that I may grasp the entirety of it's meaning. In other words, If I ain't heard of it before it goes right over my head.

Putting all that I have read together so far leads me to one conclusion. If you say Exxon or Chase Manhattan or big oil, Standard, IMF, FED, World Bank or even Countrywide loan co., you are still saying the same thing. They are all owned or agents of the same source, above any law within the US or anywhere else. They are most commonly called "The Money Changers". I am not sure that this has been pointed out before.

In order to affect the change needed we must use the legislative branch of our government to enact laws that circumvent any private bank from dictating our economy. Fractional banking is merely a pyramid scheme designed to make only a few wealth at the expense of all others, it should be wiped off the face of the earth before it does to us what it did to Rome.

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Here's what I've got so far from reading S.2973...

1. Stratregic Petroleum Reserve deposite to be supended from the enactment of this bill for a period of 180 days or the oil price per barrel drops below $75.00/barrel.

2. Repeal of ANWR mandates and the authorization of leases on 45,000 acres.

3. New refinery permit process to be consolidated to expedite permitting of new refineries.

4. Opening up of coastal and plains oil reserves to drilling (Gulf, Pacific & Alaska Coasts, Midwest & Western Plains.)

5. No exporting of oil production.

6. Pursue Coal-To-Liquid Fuels production. (I need to re-read to fully comprehend this section)

I am still reading to try and fully understand all the other sections. I'll get back with y'all when I get through it.

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Here's what I've got so far from reading S.2973...

1. Stratregic Petroleum Reserve deposite to be supended from the enactment of this bill for a period of 180 days or the oil price per barrel drops below $75.00/barrel.

2. Repeal of ANWR mandates and the authorization of leases on 45,000 acres.

3. New refinery permit process to be consolidated to expedite permitting of new refineries.

4. Opening up of coastal and plains oil reserves to drilling (Gulf, Pacific & Alaska Coasts, Midwest & Western Plains.)

5. No exporting of oil production.

6. Pursue Coal-To-Liquid Fuels production. (I need to re-read to fully comprehend this section)

I am still reading to try and fully understand all the other sections. I'll get back with y'all when I get through it.

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Bless your heart, guess you needed a break.. Thanks for summing it up for us. I didn't read it because i know i would not understand it. I read everything everyone sends me but i didn't attempt this.
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I am glad it got summed up as well. Still not feeling well and all the other good stuff but this helped a lot.

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Here's what I've got so far from reading S.2973...

1. Stratregic Petroleum Reserve deposite to be supended from the enactment of this bill for a period of 180 days or the oil price per barrel drops below $75.00/barrel.

2. Repeal of ANWR mandates and the authorization of leases on 45,000 acres.

3. New refinery permit process to be consolidated to expedite permitting of new refineries.

4. Opening up of coastal and plains oil reserves to drilling (Gulf, Pacific & Alaska Coasts, Midwest & Western Plains.)

5. No exporting of oil production.

6. Pursue Coal-To-Liquid Fuels production. (I need to re-read to fully comprehend this section)

I am still reading to try and fully understand all the other sections. I'll get back with y'all when I get through it.

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That's more than I got from reading through the text. Lord getting through it was like pulling teeth. I not sure a agree with all the previsions but it's a start. Now it has to go before a committee, and lets hope it doesn't die in committee. Then when it gets out of the floor of the house you can bet they will be those who will try to add a roadblock. If it makes it through the House of Reps, then it's got to go to the Senate to be approved. One more hoop is the Prez could veto the bill and we'd be right back where we started.

My suggestion is to glean as much as you can from the Bill in a summarized form, and let the members here pass it around to their Congressmen to see if we can't help push it though by getting other Congressmen to sponsor the Bill.... it's going to need sponsors or it won't even make it into Committee. You can bet there are going to be a lot of new bills coming on line now that the public is ready to hang a bunch of Congressmen. There will be other Bills coming up, I think there are more bill in the works now.

Good work Sir SiverSurfer.

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I received an email from Sen. Sessions legislative assistant James Wallner regarding house bill S.2973. This bill is what we talked with Sen. Sessions about. The suspension of the SPR deposits, domestic oil production, new refineries and alternative coal-to-liquid fuels.

We have made an impact on getting heard. Now we need to, more than ever, contact our representatives and impress upon them our need for their support of this bill. Contact your representatives DAILY and pressure them for support of this bill.

We are making a difference my fellow Americans. Stay the course and fight for the change that is needed to put an end to our economy being at the hands of foreign influence. We will take back our country!

Following is the link to the Library of Congress's THOMAS site.
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Do you know how the members of each party voted, it would be interesting to know who to bark at. I'll try to find out tomorrow if I get the time. I've got a greenhouse to build, and a garden to put in.
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Do you know how the members of each party voted, it would be interesting to know who to bark at. I'll try to find out tomorrow if I get the time. I've got a greenhouse to build, and a garden to put in.
After getting the news of the failure of the bill's passage...i began hunting for the part of the government site that reports member's votes. I'm am very eager to get my hands on that info. Although after reading the bill, I anticipated opposition because of the ANWR section and the no exporting of domestic oil section. Both of these have heavy hitters lobbying against the passage of either issue. Exporting our oil, I believe, is our government's way to offset what is being spent - both domestically and globaly. I have an agenda for an email campaign regarding the members votes. If you find it first...please email the link to the data to me. ( silversurfer@theamericandriver.com )

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After getting the news of the failure of the bill's passage...i began hunting for the part of the government site that reports member's votes. I'm am very eager to get my hands on that info. Although after reading the bill, I anticipated opposition because of the ANWR section and the no exporting of domestic oil section. Both of these have heavy hitters lobbying against the passage of either issue. Exporting our oil, I believe, is our government's way to offset what is being spent - both domestically and globaly. I have an agenda for an email campaign regarding the members votes. If you find it first...please email the link to the data to me. ( silversurfer@theamericandriver.com )

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Strange SS, but I can find the Voting record on every other bill and resolution except S.2973. I haven't been able to find anywhere where they even voted on it......I'll continue the search and let you know.
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What am i missing here, i thought it was passed unanmously for pres. to stop filling strategic oil reserves. I'm confused, could someone please explain.
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What am i missing here, i thought it was passed unanmously for pres. to stop filling strategic oil reserves. I'm confused, could someone please explain.
There was a bill that passed overwhelmingly, I believe it was H.R.6022, legislating the stoppage of the deposits to the SPR. This was one of the many things we wanted.

The bill we're refering to is S.2973 (American Energy Production Act of 2008,) which pertains to all the actions America needs. I have yet to find the record showing the ayes and nays and am beginning to think that an electronic record vote was not motioned...which only means we will not know how each representative voted until the house minutes become available - and even then it will probably be scetchy. Most likely a tactic by our government to avoid immediate attention to those that voted nay. I for one will continue to pursue advocating getting this bill amended to pass through the house. There are several issues within this bill which are definitely needed to address our economic crisis.

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Strange SS, but I can find the Voting record on every other bill and resolution except S.2973. I haven't been able to find anywhere where they even voted on it......I'll continue the search and let you know.
It may still be on the floor for discussion. I know I read something about a bill that did not pass regarding energy and the ANWR...which I presumed to be bill S.2973. Either they did vote and did not motion for electronic vote record, or this particular bill is still on the floor awaiting discussion, but I haven't located anything on the calender regarding this. That doesn't mean it isn't there though. Hope it's not being held up. I'll continue looking as well.

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There was a bill that passed overwhelmingly, I believe it was H.R.6022, legislating the stoppage of the deposits to the SPR. This was one of the many things we wanted.

The bill we're refering to is S.2973 (American Energy Production Act of 2008,) which pertains to all the actions America needs. I have yet to find the record showing the ayes and nays and am beginning to think that an electronic record vote was not motioned...which only means we will not know how each representative voted until the house minutes become available - and even then it will probably be scetchy. Most likely a tactic by our government to avoid immediate attention to those that voted nay. I for one will continue to pursue advocating getting this bill amended to pass through the house. There are several issues within this bill which are definitely needed to address our economic crisis.

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Thank you soooo much for clearing that up for me, i have been wondering about this all day. I can't keep up with all the different bills and numbers unless i write them down. Again, thank you very much
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After getting the news of the failure of the bill's passage...i began hunting for the part of the government site that reports member's votes. I'm am very eager to get my hands on that info. Although after reading the bill, I anticipated opposition because of the ANWR section and the no exporting of domestic oil section. Both of these have heavy hitters lobbying against the passage of either issue. Exporting our oil, I believe, is our government's way to offset what is being spent - both domestically and globaly. I have an agenda for an email campaign regarding the members votes. If you find it first...please email the link to the data to me. ( silversurfer@theamericandriver.com )

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I got two email off this morning to CNN and one off to Bill O'Really? at FOX, and another to Studio B at Fox.

The exporting of the alaskan oil really throws me into a rage ......

This is one more thing that's needs to be added to any letters to the lap-dogs and news agencies......

"And why are we exporting 30 to 40% % of the oil from Alaska to Asia?"

It's the tax payer's money that paid for the pipeline from Alaska to the lower 48.

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Old 05-16-2008   #20
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Just came across this article......take a look how hard our Pres. is working to try to help us all....BULLSHIT....if you read the article and think about what you are reading, it'll really piss you off.......>>>>

Saudis see no reason to raise oil production now

2008-05-16 13:23:38
By JENNIFER LOVEN Associated Press Writer



RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP) — Saudi Arabia's leaders made clear Friday they see no reason to increase oil production until customers dem