Boycott

[lunachic]

What a beautiful day, The birds are singing, Almost daylight, coffee ready
and time to start work.
Lets start talking BOYCOTT.
We know who we are starting with:
The almighty Exxon has the honor of taking the lead.
That does not mean we need to stop with just the oil Companies.
So how about some input.

[freaking rookie]

I'am with you. I have already started with eXXon. Write your Congress person, and your Senators and tell them you do not think the Patriot Act is a legal document as it is an abolisher of our freedoms granted to us by our Forefathers under the United States Constitution and The Bill of Rights. Tell them also, you do not support the idea of Globalization. We are America. We wish to stand as Americans. We do not want to be part of a global society, controled by a one world goverment. Our Forefathers, and many other Americans died so we can have our freedom. We do not want to lose those freedoms to a one world goverment!

[lunachic]

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Originally Posted by freaking rookie I'am with you. I have already started with eXXon. Write your Congress person, and your Senators and tell them you do not think the Patriot Act is a legal document as it is an abolisher of our freedoms granted to us by our Forefathers under the United States Constitution and The Bill of Rights. Tell them also, you do not support the idea of Globalization. We are America. We wish to stand as Americans. We do not want to be part of a global society, controled by a one world goverment. Our Forefathers, and many other Americans died so we can have our freedom. We do not want to lose those freedoms to a one world goverment!

Ok, good need u to do some research for us. gather all info (truth) Facts that can be
proven on Exxon.
dig all public records.
Lets get this rolling.........................

[lunachic]

Come on people, lets talk BOYCOTT!
I say follow up while EXXON is on line with ?

[SilverSurfer]

Testimony from Congressional committee hearing with Tyson Slocum (Public Citizen), Ryan Todd (Integrated Oils Analyst with Deutsche Bank) and John Felmy (Cheif Economist with American Petroleum Institute)...

John Felmy testified to the following:

Refinery capacity has increased by 200,000 gallons/day over the last 10-12 years.
[my comment: this has created a bottle-neck effect. This increase growth does not maintain a supply for our population growth. Unless capacity increases, the price per gallon will only continue to spiral upwards. This is the true supply/demand imbalance that our media, government and analysts avoid pointing out. There has been very little attention on this issue.]

Exxon has a 65% capital return on their refinery investments.
[my comment: This is a ridiculous gross profit margin for any business in regards to our country's transportation needs - especially when they do not re-invest nearly enough to maintain a reasonable price at the pump price.]

[lunachic]

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Originally Posted by SilverSurfer Testimony from Congressional committee hearing with Tyson Slocum (Public Citizen), Ryan Todd (Integrated Oils Analyst with Deutsche Bank) and John Felmy (Cheif Economist with American Petroleum Institute)... John Felmy testified to the following: Refinery capacity has increased by 200,000 gallons/day over the last 10-12 years. [my comment: this has created a bottle-neck effect. This increase growth does not maintain a supply for our population growth. Unless capacity increases, the price per gallon will only continue to spiral upwards. This is the true supply/demand imbalance that our media, government and analysts avoid pointing out. There has been very little attention on this issue.] Exxon has a 65% capital return on their refinery investments. [my comment: This is a ridiculous gross profit margin for any business in regards to our country's transportation needs - especially when they do not re-invest nearly enough to maintain a reasonable price at the pump price.]

Thank-You,
And I agree with your comment.
can we use it?

[TN. TRUCKERS WIFE]

Let's just do it. Will put the signs on my rolling billboard lol (my car). Will do that today..

[lunachic]

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Originally Posted by TN. TRUCKERS WIFE Let's just do it. Will put the signs on my rolling billboard lol (my car). Will do that today..

I'll start e-mailing tomorrow, tired today for some reason....
Did you ck out that on line mag.?

[SilverSurfer]

Yes. The information I provided was actual testimony before a Highway & Transportation Subcommittee hearing chaired by Defazio.

The issue of Exxon's capital return on refineries is a big one. Not one American is going to agree with that gross profit margin as reasonable. I actually believe that this is more than enough proof American's are being price gouged, but then that is only what I believe. Apparently our government thinks different according to their actions regarding this.

As to the refinery capacity...there has not been one single new refinery in the past 30+ years. Over 25% of the existing refineries have either been de-commissioned or destroyed by fire since. Exxon, and the others, I believe, knew this would be a price increasing scenario and has not re-invested to perpetuate their net profits increasing, as they have.

[TN. TRUCKERS WIFE]

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Originally Posted by lunachic I'll start e-mailing tomorrow, tired today for some reason.... Did you ck out that on line mag.?

Not yet, was waiting for a little feedback. Yeah i say we just get on this thing, no need to wait.

[TN. TRUCKERS WIFE]

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Originally Posted by SilverSurfer Yes. The information I provided was actual testimony before a Highway & Transportation Subcommittee hearing chaired by Defazio. The issue of Exxon's capital return on refineries is a big one. Not one American is going to agree with that gross profit margin as reasonable. I actually believe that this is more than enough proof American's are being price gouged, but then that is only what I believe. Apparently our government thinks different according to their actions regarding this. As to the refinery capacity...there has not been one single new refinery in the past 30+ years. Over 25% of the existing refineries have either been de-commissioned or destroyed by fire since. Exxon, and the others, I believe, knew this would be a price increasing scenario and has not re-invested to perpetuate their net profits increasing, as they have.

There is no doubt of price gouging and the markets are driving up prices. Supply and demand theory shot to h... with less big trucks running and americans sitting home, riding busses, bicycles. Excuses, excuses thats all we get while they continue to rob us.

[lunachic]

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Originally Posted by TN. TRUCKERS WIFE There is no doubt of price gouging and the markets are driving up prices. Supply and demand theory shot to h... with less big trucks running and americans sitting home, riding busses, bicycles. Excuses, excuses thats all we get while they continue to rob us.

That's the truth, gouging is not leagle. unless your the Gov. and have a hand in oil.
I have a Idea.
pm on it's way....................

[shadowdr]

Please let's start this. Not just Exxon but Pilot oil as well.
I have been trying to get someone to go with this for a long time, most think it's a good idea but still no boycott.

Exxon because, well they are just evil. I don't think anyone will argue that.
Pilot, because thaey according to their website sells more diesl then anyone else. Pilot oil is half owned by Marathon oil. Pilot is the retail supplier, Marathon is the refinery. Fuel is up 10% in eight days. Does anyone beleive that usage is up?

We cannot afford to let them have their way. The quicker we can boycott the quicker we can get the price down. I have no idea if it will really hurt Exxon, but Pilot could have thousands of gallons of diesel setting in their tanks they cannot sell.

As truckers we have 10 times the power of any gas consumer, because we buy at least 10 times more at at time.
If you wonder why diesel is .80 higher then gas, it is because we keep pumping the crapt.

We can stop this B.S.

[lunachic]

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Originally Posted by shadowdr Please let's start this. Not just Exxon but Pilot oil as well. I have been trying to get someone to go with this for a long time, most think it's a good idea but still no boycott. Exxon because, well they are just evil. I don't think anyone will argue that. Pilot, because thaey according to their website sells more diesl then anyone else. Pilot oil is half owned by Marathon oil. Pilot is the retail supplier, Marathon is the refinery. Fuel is up 10% in eight days. Does anyone beleive that usage is up? We cannot afford to let them have their way. The quicker we can boycott the quicker we can get the price down. I have no idea if it will really hurt Exxon, but Pilot could have thousands of gallons of diesel setting in their tanks they cannot sell. As truckers we have 10 times the power of any gas consumer, because we buy at least 10 times more at at time. If you wonder why diesel is .80 higher then gas, it is because we keep pumping the crapt. We can stop this B.S.

Been tring to, hard with all the ways we r going.
Tring to make peace amoung ourselves.Put it together.
This is just one tactic, but it's not the only answer. We know that now.
Will will need to progress from here.We are fighting the devil himself.
GEORGE BUSH!
This man sold us out for oil.

People pick a date? and lets stick to it..................................

[Greyfoxx]

There is something happening here in this once might America, where at one time dreams were possible for all Americans. I have lost all confidence in my government to protect me, my family, my America. The now Corporate Government knows the new plan for the "New World Order" that Bush 41 told us with about with confidence and determination in is voice. But "we the people" are not being told want the plan is, or how it will effect all Americans, or how to prepare for the flood of corporate corruption, the changes that are already destroying millions of American's lives. Collateral Damage has become the common denominator, I hear so many people say "but what can we do?". There is something you can do ..... you can resist those who would bury your freedoms, your America! You can demand that Congress take control to stop the speculation in the oil market that is by itself driving America into the poor house. What good is a government that gives more freedoms to the corporate world than it does the people that elected them. Is money and greed for the few more importent than the freedom of the masses, can you have one without the other. Most Americans are only asking for some assurance from their government to be able to live their lives without selling their souls to fill the needs of those who suffer from the insanity of greed, who ask only for a small return for their sweat and blood.

Our Congress has allowed greed and the "Corporate Tower of Babble" to drive the working class into a state of desperation. Because of the plague of corporate crime, and the poor management practices of this nation by our Congress, the level of crime in the streets is exploding because, "desperate people do desperate things" when they see no hope from those the elect to cover their backs. Our Constitution is all but ignored by those in high places. Our children no longer see a future where they can be secured in knowing their dreams will come true. Mothers and fathers languish over their children's education that would help them survive what is apparently end of the middle class, they fear that their children will become the wage slaves of the wealthy. They fear telling their children that the American dream was been slashed down the Oval Office's Toilet, that tyranny and corruption has replace all hope.

If you are not writing letters to your Congressmen, letters to your editors you are part of the problem. Benjamin Franklin said "The people get the governemnt they deserve". If your not willing to put your freedom on the line to save this nation, you don't deserve to be free, you don't deserve to call yourself an American. And that is what those who would make you and your children slaves are hopping for, that most Americans will not resist the coming of the "New World Order" until it is to late, until they have all Americans by the throat.

The rest of the world is watching us, waiting to see if we have the courage, the determination to stand up and demand justice from those we elect to protect us from the greed of those that would put our freedom in chains, who would make our futures a living hell so that they can become richer than god from the blood and sweat of those who lack the courage to stand up to tyranny.

I see only a few members of this Congress putting any energy into the movement of saving their nation from the Corporate Carpetbaggers. They don't want to talk about it.

The July 4th Trucker's Strike/ExxonMobil Boycott is only 5 weeks away, it may very well be our last chance to preserve our freedom as Americans. If you are not writing letters to your Congressmen, phoning your Congressmen's Washington office, emailing your Congressmen your not helping, your just cluttering up the Thread.

Here is some evidence that things are not getting any better.

Bloomberg.com: Energy
Bloomberg.com: Energy
Why gas prices have gone from 90 cents to $4 a gallon. - May. 20, 2008
America's Money: Gas crunch hits home - Travis Barnhart: Taking toll on marriage (1) - CNNMoney.com

[Greyfoxx]

I recieved this from our Oregon Congressmen yesterday in response to my letter to him a week ago.

Dear Don:

Thanks for your message expressing concerns about rising gas prices. I appreciate hearing from you and share your concerns.

I have reintroduced legislation, the Gasoline Price Stabilization Act, H.R. 1500, to combat rising gas prices. My legislation includes both short-term and long-term strategies. The short-term strategies are necessary to protect consumers from gouging and market manipulation by oil companies, the OPEC cartel and financial speculators. The long-term strategies are necessary to reduce our nation's overall dependence on oil. Given limited worldwide supplies of oil (and even more limited supplies here at home - the U.S. has only two percent of the world's projected oil reserves, which means we'll become more dependent on foreign sources of oil as these reserves are depleted), we need to use oil more efficiently and develop alternative sources of energy immediately.

My legislation:

- Requires the President to file a trade complaint with the WTO against OPEC for illegally colluding to raise oil prices, which violates global trade rules.

- Imposes a windfall profits tax on oil companies to decrease the incentive to gouge consumers.

- Authorizes the use of the strategic petroleum reserve (a federal reserve of 700 million barrels of oil), as needed, to combat market manipulation and supply problems. Releasing oil from the federal stockpile will help ensure that supply disruptions (whether artificial or real) don't lead to price spikes.

- Authorizes the Secretary of Energy to establish minimum inventory levels for producers, refiners, and marketers of crude oil and petroleum products in order to limit the impact unexpected supply disruptions have on prices.

- Reinstates the ban on exporting oil from Alaska.

- Puts a moratorium on oil company mergers (the non-partisan General Accounting Office reported 2,600 mergers in the U.S. petroleum industry since the mid-1990s - by one measure, four companies control 74 percent of the gasoline market in Oregon). It also creates a commission to investigate the impact mergers are having on prices and to make recommendations to restore competition in the petroleum industry.

- Establishes a commission to study and report on the concentration of ownership of all aspects of exploring, refining, distributing and selling crude oil and petroleum products.

- Mandates the average fuel economy standards to be increased to 37 mpg by 2017 and 40 mpg by 2022.

- Requires the federal fleet of vehicles achieve an average fuel economy that is higher than the baseline average. The federal fleet would have to achieve a fuel economy of 3 miles per gallon higher than the average by 2010, and 6 miles per gallon higher than the average by 2013.

The House of Representatives has passed several bills that will help relieve gas prices. We are awaiting Senate action on many of these bills.

H.R. 2264, the No Oil Producing and Exporting Cartels (NOPEC) Act, passed the House on May 22, 2007. This legislation enables the Department of Justice to take legal action against OPEC-controlled entities for participating in oil cartels that drive up oil prices globally and in the United States.

H.R. 1252, the Energy Price Gouging Act, passed the House on May 23, 2007. This legislation willreduce the burden of rising gas prices on American families, providing immediate relief to consumers by giving the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) the authority to investigate and punish those who artificially inflate the price of energy. It ensures the federal government has the tools it needs to adequately respond to energy emergencies and prohibit price gouging - with a priority on refineries and big oil companies.

H.R. 5351, the Renewable Energy and Energy Conservation Tax Act of 2008 passed the House on February 27th 2008.This legislation will end unnecessary subsidies to Big Oil companies and invest in clean, renewable energy and energy efficiency. It will extend and expand tax incentives for renewable electricity, energy and fuel, as well as for plug-in hybrid cars, and energy efficient homes, buildings, and appliances.

In December of 2007, Congress did pass into law H.R. 6, the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. This lawwill reduce our dependence on foreign oil and our energy costs. The legislation made it unlawful for any person to report false information on the wholesale price of gasoline or petroleum and required the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) to enforce and punish those found guilty of market manipulation. The law also established a single CAFE standard of 35 miles per gallon by the year 2020.

There is one idea that I am unable to support, atemporary or permanent reduction in the gas tax. This proposal would have a significant negative impact on the nation's surface transportation programs, and would undermine our economic competitiveness and quality of life.

The 18.3-cent per gallon gas tax was established in 1993. At that time, the average retail price of a gallon of gasoline was $1.05. Although the federal gas tax has not changed in the last 15 years, the average price of a gallon of gasoline has tripled to $3.39.It is clear that the gas tax is not the problem.

Eliminating the gas tax won't solve the problem of high prices, but it will remove almost $3 billion per month from federal highway, highway safety, and transit infrastructure investments. Losing this money for infrastructure would eliminate approximately 300,000 family-wage, highway construction-related jobs. The result is cuts to critical highway safety funding, morecongestion on our highways, and a hit to our economy. The worst part of this proposal is it would allow oil companies to continue to line their pockets with windfall profits. The challenges to our nation's surface transportation network require serious, thoughtful solutions, not political sound bites.

Finally, a number of people have asked me why prices in Oregon are higher than most other states. According to the General Accounting Office, the non-partisan investigative arm of Congress, gas prices are higher in Oregon than many other states due to four primary reasons: higher taxes, the ban on self-service stations, the rural nature of the state (which increases transportation costs), and the lack of refining capacity, which also boosts transportation costs since all the gas must be shipped from out of state.

You can report incidents of suspected price gouging to the Department of Energy via the following website http://gaswatch.energy.gov or by calling 1-800-244-3301.

You can also contact the Oregon Department of Justice to share your concerns. You can find information online here: http://www.doj.state.or.us/hot_topics/gasoline.shtml or call ORDOJ at 503-378-440.

Thanks again for sharing your thoughts with me. Please keep in touch.





Sincerely,
Rep. Peter DeFazio
Fourth District, OREGON

[lunachic]

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Originally Posted by Greyfoxx I recieved this from our Oregon Congressmen yesterday in response to my letter to him a week ago. Dear Don: Thanks for your message expressing concerns about rising gas prices. I appreciate hearing from you and share your concerns. I have reintroduced legislation, the Gasoline Price Stabilization Act, H.R. 1500, to combat rising gas prices. My legislation includes both short-term and long-term strategies. The short-term strategies are necessary to protect consumers from gouging and market manipulation by oil companies, the OPEC cartel and financial speculators. The long-term strategies are necessary to reduce our nation's overall dependence on oil. Given limited worldwide supplies of oil (and even more limited supplies here at home - the U.S. has only two percent of the world's projected oil reserves, which means we'll become more dependent on foreign sources of oil as these reserves are depleted), we need to use oil more efficiently and develop alternative sources of energy immediately. My legislation: - Requires the President to file a trade complaint with the WTO against OPEC for illegally colluding to raise oil prices, which violates global trade rules. - Imposes a windfall profits tax on oil companies to decrease the incentive to gouge consumers. - Authorizes the use of the strategic petroleum reserve (a federal reserve of 700 million barrels of oil), as needed, to combat market manipulation and supply problems. Releasing oil from the federal stockpile will help ensure that supply disruptions (whether artificial or real) don't lead to price spikes. - Authorizes the Secretary of Energy to establish minimum inventory levels for producers, refiners, and marketers of crude oil and petroleum products in order to limit the impact unexpected supply disruptions have on prices. - Reinstates the ban on exporting oil from Alaska. - Puts a moratorium on oil company mergers (the non-partisan General Accounting Office reported 2,600 mergers in the U.S. petroleum industry since the mid-1990s - by one measure, four companies control 74 percent of the gasoline market in Oregon). It also creates a commission to investigate the impact mergers are having on prices and to make recommendations to restore competition in the petroleum industry. - Establishes a commission to study and report on the concentration of ownership of all aspects of exploring, refining, distributing and selling crude oil and petroleum products. - Mandates the average fuel economy standards to be increased to 37 mpg by 2017 and 40 mpg by 2022. - Requires the federal fleet of vehicles achieve an average fuel economy that is higher than the baseline average. The federal fleet would have to achieve a fuel economy of 3 miles per gallon higher than the average by 2010, and 6 miles per gallon higher than the average by 2013. The House of Representatives has passed several bills that will help relieve gas prices. We are awaiting Senate action on many of these bills. H.R. 2264, the No Oil Producing and Exporting Cartels (NOPEC) Act, passed the House on May 22, 2007. This legislation enables the Department of Justice to take legal action against OPEC-controlled entities for participating in oil cartels that drive up oil prices globally and in the United States. H.R. 1252, the Energy Price Gouging Act, passed the House on May 23, 2007. This legislation willreduce the burden of rising gas prices on American families, providing immediate relief to consumers by giving the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) the authority to investigate and punish those who artificially inflate the price of energy. It ensures the federal government has the tools it needs to adequately respond to energy emergencies and prohibit price gouging - with a priority on refineries and big oil companies. H.R. 5351, the Renewable Energy and Energy Conservation Tax Act of 2008 passed the House on February 27th 2008.This legislation will end unnecessary subsidies to Big Oil companies and invest in clean, renewable energy and energy efficiency. It will extend and expand tax incentives for renewable electricity, energy and fuel, as well as for plug-in hybrid cars, and energy efficient homes, buildings, and appliances. In December of 2007, Congress did pass into law H.R. 6, the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. This lawwill reduce our dependence on foreign oil and our energy costs. The legislation made it unlawful for any person to report false information on the wholesale price of gasoline or petroleum and required the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) to enforce and punish those found guilty of market manipulation. The law also established a single CAFE standard of 35 miles per gallon by the year 2020. There is one idea that I am unable to support, atemporary or permanent reduction in the gas tax. This proposal would have a significant negative impact on the nation's surface transportation programs, and would undermine our economic competitiveness and quality of life. The 18.3-cent per gallon gas tax was established in 1993. At that time, the average retail price of a gallon of gasoline was $1.05. Although the federal gas tax has not changed in the last 15 years, the average price of a gallon of gasoline has tripled to $3.39.It is clear that the gas tax is not the problem. Eliminating the gas tax won't solve the problem of high prices, but it will remove almost $3 billion per month from federal highway, highway safety, and transit infrastructure investments. Losing this money for infrastructure would eliminate approximately 300,000 family-wage, highway construction-related jobs. The result is cuts to critical highway safety funding, morecongestion on our highways, and a hit to our economy. The worst part of this proposal is it would allow oil companies to continue to line their pockets with windfall profits. The challenges to our nation's surface transportation network require serious, thoughtful solutions, not political sound bites. Finally, a number of people have asked me why prices in Oregon are higher than most other states. According to the General Accounting Office, the non-partisan investigative arm of Congress, gas prices are higher in Oregon than many other states due to four primary reasons: higher taxes, the ban on self-service stations, the rural nature of the state (which increases transportation costs), and the lack of refining capacity, which also boosts transportation costs since all the gas must be shipped from out of state. You can report incidents of suspected price gouging to the Department of Energy via the following website http://gaswatch.energy.gov or by calling 1-800-244-3301. You can also contact the Oregon Department of Justice to share your concerns. You can find information online here: http://www.doj.state.or.us/hot_topics/gasoline.shtml or call ORDOJ at 503-378-440. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts with me. Please keep in touch. Sincerely, Rep. Peter DeFazio Fourth District, OREGON

Gouging.....call and report the Gov.

[lunachic]

We Still Need A Date.
And info to be used.

[TN. TRUCKERS WIFE]

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Originally Posted by lunachic We Still Need A Date. And info to be used.

Still waiting on Bandit to recover, then we will put this in full swing......