George Bush

[lunachic]

What I think for what it's worth,
but will make me feel better saying it.
Bush should be charged with Treason.
And should be exiled.
All his assets made during his White House stay, should be frozen.
And kept here.
Maybe then from this point on any leader of our Country will think twice befor selling us out.
And now I feel better....
Thank-u

[2xR]

Please, state for us the treasonous acts committed by George W. Bush. Charging him is great, but, be prepared to back it up with specific reasons that will stand examination.

Who did he sell us out to? What price did he get? Did the buyer get a warranty (cuz they may need it)?

Exiled? Where ya' gonna' send 'em? Gitmo? Iran? Wouldn't Leavenworth, KS be bad enough for 'em? Heck, treason usually carries a death penalty. Are you willing to pull the switch? That'd make you feel better, I'd bet.

[rebel]

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Originally Posted by two-timer (2xR) Please, state for us the treasonous acts committed by George W. Bush. Charging him is great, but, be prepared to back it up with specific reasons that will stand examination. Who did he sell us out to? What price did he get? Did the buyer get a warranty (cuz they may need it)? Exiled? Where ya' gonna' send 'em? Gitmo? Iran? Wouldn't Leavenworth, KS be bad enough for 'em? Heck, treason usually carries a death penalty. Are you willing to pull the switch? That'd make you feel better, I'd bet.

How about 4000+ murdered soldiers and 50,000+ injuries? Still think that deserves a laughing icon?
We were sold out for Arab oil.
And the whole reason we went into Iraq was because Saddam had put out a death threat on W's dad. Everyone in whitehouse knows this. If he wanted to kill Saddam for that-fine. He should have done the job himself instead of sending our troops in there to be killed for his own vendetta.
If you are going to rid the world of brutal dictators why start there?

And the line to pull the switch on that bastard has got to be long one.

[lunachic]

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Originally Posted by two-timer (2xR) Please, state for us the treasonous acts committed by George W. Bush. Charging him is great, but, be prepared to back it up with specific reasons that will stand examination. Who did he sell us out to? What price did he get? Did the buyer get a warranty (cuz they may need it)? Exiled? Where ya' gonna' send 'em? Gitmo? Iran? Wouldn't Leavenworth, KS be bad enough for 'em? Heck, treason usually carries a death penalty. Are you willing to pull the switch? That'd make you feel better, I'd bet.

I belive sir, the Gov. in it's self has given us enough of specific reason, 5 1/2 hours of it.
It would be nice if the man the family would be forced to open books to the people of America.
Profit/loss Statement, as per the family oil investments, But not just subject to that alone.
Exiled, Yes let another country support him. And his.Treason does not alway's carry the death penalty as you stated. He has too many ghost haunting him, mothers,fathers, sisters.brothers.
Let him live with this.
And with me sir, dont ever assume what would make me feel better or not.
I feel the Gov. as a awhole has betrayed the American people.
He as our leader has sent this Country into a downward spiril which is only getting worse. as the rest of us grow homeless, hungry. when he leaves our office, Will he feel the pain, Share the sorrow. I think not.
The only positive thing that has come out of this is the lesson the citizen's of this country has learned
and that would be never trust or vote for a president of any relation to oil and big buissness.The statue of liberty, on the base has a poem. The one part that I keep thinking about.
Give us your tired, your poor.......
Well that is who we the people of America have become.

[2xR]

Lunachic and Rebel, ya'll are just mad and throwin' rocks. I'm betting if J.C. himself were sitting at the top, you'd be flingin' stones at him, too.

Neither one of you can get past your ill feelings long enough to offer a real dialog on the subject beyond the some tired cliches and worn out conspiracy theories.

Rebel, because soldiers die does not make their commander a murderer. Surely, you know the difference.

And, Lunachic, just for the record, things were going pretty good in America until the Dimocrats gained control of the legislative branch of our government, AND, until election season began. Anytime there is a hotly contested race for the White House, business pulls in the reins until they figure out which direction the government may take. No sense investing too heavy in anything if the socialist get complete control and try to clean your plow.

I guess I'll stay out of the political arena here. It seems the debate ends where the feelings start, and, that is from the very beginning.

[lunachic]

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Originally Posted by two-timer (2xR) Lunachic and Rebel, ya'll are just mad and throwin' rocks. I'm betting if J.C. himself were sitting at the top, you'd be flingin' stones at him, too. Neither one of you can get past your ill feelings long enough to offer a real dialog on the subject beyond the some tired cliches and worn out conspiracy theories. Rebel, because soldiers die does not make their commander a murderer. Surely, you know the difference. And, Lunachic, just for the record, things were going pretty good in America until the Dimocrats gained control of the legislative branch of our government, AND, until election season began. Anytime there is a hotly contested race for the White House, business pulls in the reins until they figure out which direction the government may take. No sense investing too heavy in anything if the socialist get complete control and try to clean your plow. I guess I'll stay out of the political arena here. It seems the debate ends where the feelings start, and, that is from the very beginning.

excuse me, until the dem.'s gained controll, break away from daddy smurf, have u know clue. This has been an on going total Frig up with bush in office. not to mention the fla. screw up that started with little bro jeb. Know time in history has our country declined so rapidly as with the bush admin. becareful what u wish for u just might get it, and it might just bite u in the ass...........

I would say it's a pretty safe bet we have learned not to repeat our mistakes again. nor to let the gov. as it stands to ever manipulate the citizens of America again.
This country is based on the people for the people, Our voice will be heard.

p.s. I belive it's your diaper...............................

[2xR]

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Originally Posted by lunachic p.s. I belive it's your diaper...............................

Well, it ain't lumpy...

[lunachic]

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Originally Posted by two-timer (2xR) Well, it ain't lumpy...

that's for sure..................................

[rebel]

I'm glad you mentioned J.C, no I would not throw rocks at him.
Have you ever read the story of King David and Bathsheeba? David sent her husband, Uriah into a battle where he knew he would be killed so he could take his wife. Sending a soldier to his death under false pretenses (WMD?) is murder. Don't take my word for it - take God's word.
2 Samuel Ch.11v.14-15,27 and 2 Samuel Ch.12 v.9
(In case you need documentation)

[Bullwinkle]

I have no problem with the fact we wen to Iraq and took down Sadamm. It is something that should have happened under Bush Sr., but America cried to bring the troops home and the job wasn't completed.

Where I have the problem now is hanging out in Iraq and forcing democracy on them and running their Country. I could give two shits what their government becomes, just as long as they know that as soon as they even mention building a nuclear weapon, or hint toward attacking us, that we will be right back on the middle of their ass again.

I supported Bush's effort in going over there, and still would to this day. I don't support us being over there with our Military being picked off one by one while we force our way of life on them.

Had the jackass reporters been left at home back in the early 90's, we probably could have taken care of business then and there, but having cameras on our military basically handcuffed us from doing what we needed to do.

[BANDIT]

First off, The Bush's & Cheney's made Saddam what he was. They built him into a tyrant and supplied him with all the biological weapons he needed so he could go up against Iran. When they were done using him, they put such strict sanctions against him and his country that they couldn't have attact any country and succeeded. Bush & Cheney Lied to the people of this country, and to the people of the rest of the world to launch this country into a pre-emptive war for the first time in its history, for no legitimate reason. He lied to get us to invade Iraq, and he has lied so many times about so many things its plainly criminal. He and his whole criminal bunch have violated the Geneva Convention time after time and not been punished for it. They have trashed our own Constitution time after time and so far gotten away with it. They have taken away our Rights as citizens of the USA that our forefathers fought and died getting for us, and we have sat back and let them do it, with absolutely no punishment. Ya'll were totally up in arms and wanting to HANG Bill Clinton when he got his blow-job in the oval office and lied about it. His blow-job didn't cost one person their life, or physically injure one person in the entire world. Bush & Cheney lied repeatedly to put us into two wars that resulted in hundreds of thousands of Amerians & Iraqi people dead and another who knows how many hundreds of thousands injured for life, and you actually think that was admirable. What is wrong with this picture? Wonder why it is that we could conveniently catch Saddam, yet BinLaden is still wandering around a free man. I'm sure it has nothing to do with his family being close friends with the Bush family. Of course not, that would be crimminal......Two Timer, you want to know what's wrong with this country......Look in the mirror.........Have An Awesome Day.....If You Can

[Bullwinkle]

you know, rather than dwell on the past, how about we start debating on some of our potential future leaders? A very important election time is just around the corner

[rebel]

Ah Bullwinkle, we managed to get ploitics and religion in here, and now you wanna stop. lol Hey, I'm no fan of media, but they aren't the reason we didn't go to Bagdad in '91.
For obvious reasons I won't say names...but a buddy of mine was asked to "re-enlist" in late 1990. He did 3 tours in vietnam working black ops. The last one, a bullet nicked his aorta. Fortunately his partner carried him out of the jungle (another buddy of mine).
Anyway, when the pentagon called, the Col. said "You know what I do, I go in with my team and take him out." They declined so he said good luck and have a nice day. At least he learned the lesson from vietnam. The pentagon hasn't.
We have spent decades arming our enemies, pissing them off, and then acting surprised when we get slapped in the back of the head. (I'll spare the history of Afghanistan of the '80s). I guess my point is if we don't teach (truthful) history to the next generation, they'll repeat our mistakes. If they only get media version scrubbed by the gov. instead of coming from people who lived it - we're all screwed. How many people still believe Jefferson wrote Dec. of Ind?

As far as future goes, until we decide to kick'em all out and start over, we'll get more of the same.
I like Ron Paul, he reminds me of Perot. I "wasted" my vote in '92 and never voted for a clinton or bush. I voted 3rd party or write-in. How'd that go- NOT TOO GOOD

In the words of Jesse Ventura (like him too) Don't start the revolution without me!

[BANDIT]

I totally agree Moose, the sad part is the nominees that the people have to choose from in the upcoming election. It would be so much easier if the right candidate had been put on the ballot instead of the two losers that have been nominated. Can You Say Write-In?? My only problem with the past is that I feel when a crime is committed, the criminal should be punished for their crimes. I don't see that happening, and can't help but wonder why. I truly believe that had it been me that was the cause of all the destruction and loss of lives in the Iraqi war, I would already be pushing up daisys. These are War Crimes against the entire world we are talking about, not just against the people of this country. Oh well, enough said. So much for the New World Order..........
Oh, and by the way Two Timer....If they needed someone to throw the switch on G.W.Bush, I'd be at the head of the line jumping up and down begging....My children and grandchildren are going to have to pay for many years to come for what that asshole has done to this country

[Bullwinkle]

I am writing in Ron Paul....

[lunachic]

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Originally Posted by Bullwinkle you know, rather than dwell on the past, how about we start debating on some of our potential future leaders? A very important election time is just around the corner

Ok, we are screwed, been thinking about it with a open mine, tossing what we know and have come to the truth, we are screwed.
neither one can say something with out back tracking. I don't trust them, I think at the begining a decleration of sort should be signed sealed and which ever is elec. should be held to it..word for word. or outta here..........
Both campains are based on what?
The back-up should be the 3rd party write in. who which in term should be required to be held to his word also. or he's outta here. I have said befor I dont like 4 year term's. drop it to 3, give the people more control. If something does go to the point the prez. veto's put the vote out to the citizens and allow over ride of it.
What we have or should have learned from the Bush's is we the people need more control of our Country.Not the prez. not the hill, the people. we are the one's that make America, we are the one's who would fight and die for her. we have right's we just have to learn to take them back.
ok, I'm done.

[freightmaster]

When something is clearly broken "as in our situation" do you keep throwing faulty parts at it, or overhaul it? I say its time for an overhaul!

[lunachic]

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Originally Posted by freightmaster When something is clearly broken "as in our situation" do you keep throwing faulty parts at it, or overhaul it? I say its time for an overhaul!

I second that!

[Bullwinkle]

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Originally Posted by freightmaster When something is clearly broken "as in our situation" do you keep throwing faulty parts at it, or overhaul it? I say its time for an overhaul!

Ending lopsided campaign financing via big business donations and allowing equal and repectful media time for all candidates would be a good start.

Instead we are pushed toward to options ultimately, and those who don't follow a political line, or don't have as much money, are eliminated as possibilities.

Some of our best potential Presidents never even get consideration, which is a damn shame.